Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

[SlickPaws]

Paradox of tolerance is a thing

Yes, it's been brought up several thousand times already when the hypocrisy is pointed out. Problem is that you're creating your own paradox and then dismissing any criticism of it by saying "Well, the paradox is a thing." The contradiction only occurs when your actions don't match your words - and given that your words are "Peace, love and acceptance man!" but the actions involve bullying and othering human beings and thus creates its own set of problems, or double standards or "paradox of tolerance." The truth of the matter is that every single one of you who has spouted vitriol at your fellow players and expressed sentiments of "we don't want you here anyway" is a hateful and spiteful individual hiding behind a mask of virtue. It's far easier to pretend you're a good person fighting a just cause and explain criticism away as paradoxical thinking than it is to come to terms with the fact that you're just bullies.

[gllt]

Yes, it's been brought up several thousand times already when the hypocrisy is pointed out. Problem is that you're creating your own paradox and then dismissing any criticism of it by saying "Well, the paradox is a thing." The contradiction only occurs when your actions don't match your words - and given that your words are "Peace, love and acceptance man!" but the actions involve bullying and othering human beings and thus creates its own set of problems, or double standards or "paradox of tolerance." The truth of the matter is that every single one of you who has spouted vitriol at your fellow players and expressed sentiments of "we don't want you here anyway" is a hateful and spiteful individual hiding behind a mask of virtue. It's far easier to pretend you're a good person fighting a just cause and explain criticism away as paradoxical thinking than it is to come to terms with the fact that you're just bullies.

Man I didn't even talk to you.

[Lorika]

Tolerance is very simple to understand. Very simple to execute.

Then start pratrice it because :

And "nuance" is not a concept in tolerance. Either you tolerate, or you do not. Adhere to the social contract, or do not.

This is the contrary of tolerance (Tolerance is to accept everyone and all the way of thinking and viewpoint)

Overall, you whole post don't talk about tolerance but how dictatorship work : my viewpoint is the right one, eveyrone else is wrong and if you don't adhere to it then i need to shut you up by every mean i have at my disposal.

[MartinFreeman]

What I will say is that unfortunately, American liberal politics is infesting everything we consume. And though there is a lot of debate on what exactly Dawntrail does that is considered woke, I can say with certainty that it's not necessarily as cut and dry as say the women leads in a Call of Duty game of yesteryear. But it's more of the themes that plague products such as Steven Universe and other modern western entertainment products. Owlhouse, etc, you can see the same themes and messages in this expansion. From Wuk Lamat's character, to the literal Disneyland area we go to in the final zone. It's not so much big things, but little tiny things that all build up to make a very weird and boring expansion with no tension, a lot of gaps in storytelling, and unrealistic themes. Even for a fantasy setting, Tural feels very bland and sterile, like the writers were afraid to offend people. Which is the problem with folks that try to be safe for everyone: when you are trying to be safe, you end up with the equivalent of a bland hospital-like appearance where everything is sanitized, gray, and boring. Nothing is allowed to be out of place or anything "bad". This same trope unfortunately is part of the woke brigade of today.

[Ellona_Andrivari]

Using woke as a pejorative makes you an asshole hth.

[Bopsheezi]

How is this cesspit still going? Hang it up already, no one is convincing anyone of anything.

[Magikazam]

Paradox of tolerance is a thing

Paradox of tolerance is a poor attempt at excusing hypocrisy.

You see the thing with equalitarism concepts like Tolerance, is that they apply to everyone, even bad people.

[BrokenFantasy]

See title.

• Bought FFI for NES as a kid.
• Bought a Playstation in college just to play FF VII.
• Played both FFXI and FFXIV at NA launch.
• Own all FF main series games and most spinoffs up to and including the PS4, CIB, (including original Japanese FC and SFC games).
• Stopped playing new FF games after playing FFXV, when the series turned into DMC/Souls-like fast-twitch-based games.
• Discontinued FFXIV subscription and will not be purchasing the upcoming Dragon Quest remasters or Sieken Densetsu due to EXTREMELY poor wiring in DT, as well as Western wokeness and DEI infesting SE corporation-wide.

~fin~

Are you going to provide any evidence that so-called "wokeness" or DEI were involved in the writing for this game? Or in "Sieken (sic) Densetsu"? And no, "muh chest binder", "muh MC no look manly enough" are not evidence. Lmao if you're going to be such a weeb as to use the Japanese title for an upcoming game that is coming to the west, at least spell it right.

[Pepperblue]

im lgbt and i think the voice acting of wuk was terrible sorry

I agree with that, but that's not what OP and other people here are dog whistling about

Somehow bad voice acting and bad character writing got turned into a holy crusade against "wokeness"

If the voice or the actor were the problem with Wuk Lamat she wouldn't have been unpopular in JP, too

[JimCasey_RF6]

I agree with that, but that's not what OP and other people here are dog whistling about

Somehow bad voice acting and bad character writing got turned into a holy crusade against "wokeness"

If the voice or the actor were the problem with Wuk Lamat she wouldn't have been unpopular in JP, too

The reason she is unpopular in JP is because her character is insufferable. The English VA was blatantly under-qualified to take on the role, their performance and delivery were sub-par. English players got double whammy'd. That's why you are seeing so much frustration being vented.