Fear getting banned for being bad tank.

[UNDEAD10000]

have you tried to small pulls then getting use to it? are you using arm length and reprisal? with tank?

I have tried doing smaller pull but that will make other party members very angry and party members start rush ahead without me.
I use reprisal all the time and i mostly use arm's length against boss knockback and draw-in effects.

You cannot bet banned for 'being bad', however, it is worth noting that staying alive as a tank relies on 2 people, the tank and the healer, as long as they work together, things will be fine.

General tips are to spread out your cooldowns, do not dump them all in one go and you can use your weaker mits as the packs get smaller.

However, without knowing which tank you play or exactly how you are managing the pulls, it is going to be harder to give specific advice.

I mostly played as paladin and i always spread out mitigation cooldowns depending on situation but i still have very hard time staying alive and in any content where i can use clemency healing skill, i have to use it all the time to keep my self alive when healing from expiacion/imperator combo and holy sheltron is not enough to keep me alive.

Currently my paladin is at level 100 with item level at 696.

[Commander_Justitia]

I mostly played as paladin and i always spread out mitigation cooldowns depending on situation but i still have very hard time staying alive and in any content where i can use clemency healing skill, i have to use it all the time to keep my self alive when healing from expiacion/imperator combo and holy sheltron is not enough to keep me alive.

Currently my paladin is at level 100 with item level at 696.

Then blame your healer. You are doing nothing wrong. I could heal you even if you do no mitigation, if your healer rather deals damage even if you use mitigation and you still die, it is his fault. Some healer are greedy with damage, if they see you use clemency, it is like a sign for them to not heal you, because you seem newbie then, that you rather heal yourself than to deal damage. Only heal yourself when you drop under 25%.

Wait a few secs of damage before you use a mitigation buff, so you drop under 80% HP at least. Then you can use sentinel, that is usually enough for 10s and your holy sheltron etc. After you could rampart + another tiny one like reprisal, if you are still dropping and mobs above 50% then add arms length or bulwark. If mobs still above 50% after you had 30-35s of mitigation, then your damage dealers probably underperform, tell them to aoe if you notice they do single target... Pop hallowed ground and pull 1 pack less next pull unless it is getting easier.

Food gives you around 10% more HP. Using arms length on boss is fine but if mobs hit hard keep it for them. Usually boss damage is not high.

[Nero-Voidstails]

Then blame your healer. You are doing nothing wrong. I could heal you even if you do no mitigation, if your healer rather deals damage even if you use mitigation and you still die, it is his fault. Some healer are greedy with damage, if they see you use clemency, it is like a sign for them to not heal you, because you seem newbie then, that you rather heal yourself than to deal damage. Only heal yourself when you drop under 25%.

Wait a few secs of damage before you use a mitigation buff, so you drop under 80% HP at least. Then you can use sentinel, that is usually enough for 10s and your holy sheltron etc. After you could rampart + another tiny one like reprisal, if you are still dropping and mobs above 50% then add arms length or bulwark. If mobs still above 50% after you had 30-35s of mitigation, then your damage dealers probably underperform, tell them to aoe if you notice they do single target... Pop hallowed ground and pull 1 pack less next pull unless it is getting easier.

Food gives you around 10% more HP. Using arms length on boss is fine but if mobs hit hard keep it for them. Usually boss damage is not high.

I agree here

[Mikey_R]

Using arms length on boss is fine but if mobs hit hard keep it for them. Usually boss damage is not high.

Arm's Length on a boss isn't helpful as the vast majority are immune to slow.

What you have to remember is, the damage 'reduction' from Arm's Length is the fact the damage comes out slower, so the damage per second you are taking is lower, which makes it easier to heal though. What it does not do though is reduce the incoming damage from a single attack.

[UNDEAD10000]

Then blame your healer. You are doing nothing wrong. I could heal you even if you do no mitigation, if your healer rather deals damage even if you use mitigation and you still die, it is his fault. Some healer are greedy with damage, if they see you use clemency, it is like a sign for them to not heal you, because you seem newbie then, that you rather heal yourself than to deal damage. Only heal yourself when you drop under 25%.

Wait a few secs of damage before you use a mitigation buff, so you drop under 80% HP at least. Then you can use sentinel, that is usually enough for 10s and your holy sheltron etc. After you could rampart + another tiny one like reprisal, if you are still dropping and mobs above 50% then add arms length or bulwark. If mobs still above 50% after you had 30-35s of mitigation, then your damage dealers probably underperform, tell them to aoe if you notice they do single target... Pop hallowed ground and pull 1 pack less next pull unless it is getting easier.

Food gives you around 10% more HP. Using arms length on boss is fine but if mobs hit hard keep it for them. Usually boss damage is not high.

I don't think it's healers fault that i have hard time staying alive as tank when i do see them heal me all the time.

When i pull group of enemies i use total eclipse and prominence AoE combo, then i use reprisal (if i don't forget t use it), rampart and bulwark skills, after that i do the requiescat / imperator combo when the divine magic mastery II trait is active.
I use sheltron / holy sheltron + sentinel guardian when i need reduce lots of incoming damage to me and i use sheltron / holy sheltron a lot.

I start using clemency when my HP is around 10-20% while fighting group of enemies or boss and only time i use clemency when my HP is around 20-40% is when boss is almost done with tank buster that could kill me even having 2-4 damage mitigation skills active.
In certain rare situations i use hallowed ground if i see that is only option to keep me alive.

I don't use food buffs when my culinarian is only at level 65 and i really don't like crafting that much.

I don't buy foods from market board when most of them are very expensive and what i have seeing all foods i can buy with gil from NPC have quite low buffs.

[Urielparadox]

I don't use food buffs when my culinarian is only at level 65 and i really don't like crafting that much.

I don't buy foods from market board when most of them are very expensive and what i have seeing all foods i can buy with gil from NPC have quite low buffs.

First, Lets cover the food thing. Market board food is pretty cheap unless you are buying the newest current food, you can still use last tiers food. Vegetable soup is already cheap, and i'm on maduin which is an overpriced server currently. This makes a large difference in hp pool. Sending 2 battle retainers out for an hour farming mats to sale, after 3 hours u can buy a stack or two of food.

Second, your waiting till after u do combos to pop mits, you should use holy shelltron as u grab the lost mob group. Then reprisal, sentinel, rampart second, while doing your combo, while doing your combo, all mits are ogcd's so u can use them between skills. You shouldn't be waiting 4 gcd's to use a mit. If your hp gets too low use hollowed ground. That is your best mit do not disregard it, Tank invulns don't have to be an oh crap button, they can and are often used regularly on mob pulls. By the time it wears a good chunk of mobs should be mostly dead. Also dont forget like others mentioned arms length also slows the mobs, so thing about when your using it. its best to stack with your lighter mits.

When I pld I use hallowed ground as my first mitigation once I loose about 50- 70% of my hp during a pull and use no other mit b4 it. That way its up for as many pulls as possible since its a complete invuln.

Don't forget passage of arms, it gives a 100% block rate while using it and even if you use it then immediately do something else you get 1 tic of or protection, essentially one round of autos. You can hold it for longer if feel the need to, just pop a holy sheltron first, and then use this and u will take vary little damage, I rarely do more than pop it and brake it right away cause that 1 round does a good chuck of mitigation early in a pull. but if u feel the need to holding it for another tic its still strong.

Third, what is your healer, WHM's strongest heal is benediction, which they want to use when your hp is low. Most good whm's will let your hp drop extremely low for their first heal so they can bene you. Astro also has heal's that do the most healing when you are below 30 or 35% hp. So an ast will also let your hp fall low so they can use those heals.


Your hp shouldn't ever be that low on boss fights unless your getting hit by mechs and getting vuln stacks, and majority of dungeon bosses don't need more than a holy sheltron for the tank busters. Most wont even brake a drk's tbn. You shouldn't have 2-3 mits up at a time against a boss, and make sure you aren't using your big mits towards the end of a boss fight to make sure u have them for trash.

[UNDEAD10000]

First, Lets cover the food thing. Market board food is pretty cheap unless you are buying the newest current food, you can still use last tiers food. Vegetable soup is already cheap, and i'm on maduin which is an overpriced server currently. This makes a large difference in hp pool. Sending 2 battle retainers out for an hour farming mats to sale, after 3 hours u can buy a stack or two of food.

Second, your waiting till after u do combos to pop mits, you should use holy shelltron as u grab the lost mob group. Then reprisal, sentinel, rampart second, while doing your combo, while doing your combo, all mits are ogcd's so u can use them between skills. You shouldn't be waiting 4 gcd's to use a mit. If your hp gets too low use hollowed ground. That is your best mit do not disregard it, Tank invulns don't have to be an oh crap button, they can and are often used regularly on mob pulls. By the time it wears a good chunk of mobs should be mostly dead. Also dont forget like others mentioned arms length also slows the mobs, so thing about when your using it. its best to stack with your lighter mits.

When I pld I use hallowed ground as my first mitigation once I loose about 50- 70% of my hp during a pull and use no other mit b4 it. That way its up for as many pulls as possible since its a complete invuln.

Don't forget passage of arms, it gives a 100% block rate while using it and even if you use it then immediately do something else you get 1 tic of or protection, essentially one round of autos. You can hold it for longer if feel the need to, just pop a holy sheltron first, and then use this and u will take vary little damage, I rarely do more than pop it and brake it right away cause that 1 round does a good chuck of mitigation early in a pull. but if u feel the need to holding it for another tic its still strong.

Third, what is your healer, WHM's strongest heal is benediction, which they want to use when your hp is low. Most good whm's will let your hp drop extremely low for their first heal so they can bene you. Astro also has heal's that do the most healing when you are below 30 or 35% hp. So an ast will also let your hp fall low so they can use those heals.


Your hp shouldn't ever be that low on boss fights unless your getting hit by mechs and getting vuln stacks, and majority of dungeon bosses don't need more than a holy sheltron for the tank busters. Most wont even brake a drk's tbn. You shouldn't have 2-3 mits up at a time against a boss, and make sure you aren't using your big mits towards the end of a boss fight to make sure u have them for trash.

In server where i play the Vegetable soup currently cost +1200 gil each in market board and for me it's quite expensive for single group content run when amount of gil i get for each day is very low.
I'm trying selling all kind of materials from 2.0 to 7.0 but most of them don't sell that well even i set same as lowers price or few gils lower.

I'm not waiting when i'm used my full DPS rotation, i only use total eclipse and prominence AoE combo to get aggro of the group of enemies then i start using 2-4 migitation skills.
If i use 2-4 migitation skills before i use total eclipse and prominence AoE combo to get aggro of the group of enemies then i will lose aggro instantly and ended killing my party members.

I know hallowed ground is the best migitation skill but due to very long cooldown, i use it when i'm 100% sure that i will die when fighting group of enemies and last time when i used hallowed ground on wall to wall pull while i had less then 30% HP left , the healer got very angry and started yell at me that i wasted hallowed ground.

I use passage of arms only on certain boss mechanics when i don't want waste it on wall to wall pulls and make other party members very angry at me for wasting passage of arms on wall to wall pulls

Ever since early access of patch 7.0, i almost always ended up having low HP on boss fights, even i don't get hitted my boss mechanics, i use 2-4 migitation skills on tank busters and i use self sustain dps combo.

[Mikey_R]

I'm not waiting when i'm used my full DPS rotation, i only use total eclipse and prominence AoE combo to get aggro of the group of enemies then i start using 2-4 migitation skills.

Don't stack you mitigations, stagger them. Only use the next once the first wears off.

Don't worry about food in expert dungeons, it isn't worth it.

And, just to check, make sure you have repaired your gear.

[UNDEAD10000]

Don't stack you mitigations, stagger them. Only use the next once the first wears off.

Don't worry about food in expert dungeons, it isn't worth it.

And, just to check, make sure you have repaired your gear.

If i use migitantion skills one at a time then i will die for sure in any pull and most of time i have to use at least 2 migitantion skills on pulling group of enemies to even have small chance to stay alive.

I always keep my gear repaired and i repair my gear before i queue for group content.

[Absurdity]

Don't stack you mitigations, stagger them. Only use the next once the first wears off.

I wouldn't wait exactly until they run out, especially with Arm's Length which needs time to apply. You might end up eating an entire set of autos with no mitigation, creating a rather spiky damage curve and I've seen bad healers struggle to play catch-up.

A few more things, don't sit on Hallowed Ground in trash pulls. It's 10 seconds of complete invulnerability and you can easily get two uses out of a dungeon.
If you get a WHM as your healer, watch whether or not they're casting Holy and when they do it. It's another ~7 seconds of no incoming damage and using your mitigation during it just wastes a majority of it's uptime.