Can we please stop with Cutscenes where we just stand around?

[PorxiesRCute]

I understand that you liked Dawntrail and wanted to defend it, Cleretic, but what was the excuse for not even having the WOL try to help heal Gulool Ja Ja if they were on a healer class? You know when Alphinaud and Alisaie and Krile stepped up to try and heal him, and the WOL just stood there twiddling their thumbs? I went into that cutscene as a WHM and didn't even try to help. It was pathetic, especially when an earlier cutscene acknowledges if you're a Culinarian of all things.

[Cleretic]

I understand that you liked Dawntrail and wanted to defend it, Cleretic, but what was the excuse for not even having the WOL try to help heal Gulool Ja Ja if they were on a healer class? You know when Alphinaud and Alisaie and Krile stepped up to try and heal him, and the WOL just stood there twiddling their thumbs? I went into that cutscene as a WHM and didn't even try to help. It was pathetic, especially when an earlier cutscene acknowledges if you're a Culinarian of all things.

That's entirely unrelated, but okay, let's talk about this entirely new conversation.

Fortunately, it's very simple: three people healing the guy to no avail probably means a fourth isn't going to help. However, Gulool's also by no means the only person who dies from a mortal wound in our vicinity that we haven't lifted a finger to help, so this a bit of an ongoing thing and I question why you're only complaining about it at this time. Why not complain that we didn't heal Harchefaunt?

The underlying ongoing reason, by the way, is probably that having healer abilities actually work in cutscenes would require drastically rewriting every scene where someone gets a great injury... but also you can never succeed at it because that would derail how the story goes.

Also, I actually don't like how arbitrary their recognition of what jobs you've got leveled are, so don't act like I'm treating that as perfect; there's multiple storylines in DT about medicine and alchemy, and none of them mention if you're an Alchemist. Even the part of the MSQ where they say an accurate assessment of a situation would be a job for specifically an Alchemist doesn't acknowledge it, it sucks! But it sucks in a way that's entirely unrelated to the subject of the thread.

[PorxiesRCute]

That's entirely unrelated, but okay, let's talk about this entirely new conversation.

Fortunately, it's very simple: three people healing the guy to no avail probably means a fourth isn't going to help. However, Gulool's also by no means the only person who dies from a mortal wound in our vicinity that we haven't lifted a finger to help, so this a bit of an ongoing thing and I question why you're only complaining about it at this time. Why not complain that we didn't heal Harchefaunt?

Since Haurchefant they have started adding in recognition of when you're playing as a healer. Notably in Stormblood when Y'shtola gets sliced open by Zenos, but even in the recent FFXVI crossover they had healer WOLs channel aether into Clive when they found him unconscious.

The underlying ongoing reason, by the way, is probably that having healer abilities actually work in cutscenes would require drastically rewriting every scene where someone gets a great injury... but also you can never succeed at it because that would derail how the story goes.

I'm not asking for healer abilities, I'm asking for the WOL to lift their damn hand up and channel healing aether like the NPCs are doing. "Oh, three people are already doing it so I won't bother" is a ridiculous mindset to imply for the Warrior of Light.

Also, I actually don't like how arbitrary their recognition of what jobs you've got leveled are, so don't act like I'm treating that as perfect; there's multiple storylines in DT about medicine and alchemy, and none of them mention if you're an Alchemist. Even the part of the MSQ where they say an accurate assessment of a situation would be a job for specifically an Alchemist doesn't acknowledge it, it sucks! But it sucks in a way that's entirely unrelated to the subject of the thread.

Okay, but you're all over these forums caping for things that are obviously ridiculous. I understand feeling defensive! I liked Dawntrail, even a lot of the stuff other people complain about, but this is a AAA game by a multi-million-dollar studio. They can handle some criticism.

[Cleretic]

Okay, but you're all over these forums caping for things that are obviously ridiculous. I understand feeling defensive! I liked Dawntrail, even a lot of the stuff other people complain about, but this is a AAA game by a multi-million-dollar studio. They can handle some criticism.

And I think we should recognize that a lot of the things people are complaining about aren't problem with Dawntrail, they're problems with FFXIV as a whole, often to an even worse degree, that for some reason people are only raising as a problem right now. FFXIV being over ten years old now doesn't just mean we're sitting on a history of problems that have never been fixed, but also a history of both stated and inferred reasons those keep happening; it's not that FFXIV's devs haven't thought about doing X thing, it's that there's a reason they haven't. So I find it more interesting to talk about those 'why's, rather than just people saying 'I want this thing'.

Like, I'm gonna be honest, I don't actually know why they don't have us go and do healing in cutscenes that often; my thoughts there are all speculation, and me thinking there's probably a reason while being less bothered by it than you isn't 'defending' it. But I actually suspect that the underlying reason for your complaint here might not actually be that Dawntrail dropped the ball; it's that Dawntrail actually had someone die from their wounds in front of us, which is something that hasn't happened to a notable ally since Heavensward. They can have us heal up someone who's gonna be okay, but they can't have us heal someone who won't. Maybe they just don't want to hand you an L, make healers the only role that cutscenes force to fail at their job.