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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapshot View Post
    Could it?

    (X) doubt
    I think it could have, honestly.

    1.) Some people think the game is 'woke', which I disagree with myself.
    2.) Some people think 'woke' is a good thing, which I also disagree with.

    There's a lot of room in that discussion for growth and learning. Just because I disagree with people doesn't mean I cannot learn from them and reform my opinions with addition of their strong points. Everything is an opportunity for growth, no?

    Then again the posting limit means it would probably turn into a nazi-slap fight once I couldn't reply anymore, so maybe you're right to doubt it.
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  2. #152
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sivante View Post
    I think it could have, honestly.

    1.) Some people think the game is 'woke', which I disagree with myself.
    2.) Some people think 'woke' is a good thing, which I also disagree with.

    There's a lot of room in that discussion for growth and learning. Just because I disagree with people doesn't mean I cannot learn from them and reform my opinions with addition of their strong points. Everything is an opportunity for growth, no?

    Then again the posting limit means it would probably turn into a nazi-slap fight once I couldn't reply anymore, so maybe you're right to doubt it.

    "woke" by definition, literally just means "aware of the injustices prevalent in society".


    The right has twisted it to mean "anything I don't like"
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  3. #153
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sivante View Post
    I think it could have, honestly.

    1.) Some people think the game is 'woke', which I disagree with myself.
    2.) Some people think 'woke' is a good thing, which I also disagree with.

    There's a lot of room in that discussion for growth and learning. Just because I disagree with people doesn't mean I cannot learn from them and reform my opinions with addition of their strong points. Everything is an opportunity for growth, no?

    Then again the posting limit means it would probably turn into a nazi-slap fight once I couldn't reply anymore, so maybe you're right to doubt it.
    disagree, topic is stupid to begin with and obvious bait. was a slap-fight from page 1
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  4. #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    "woke" by definition, literally just means "aware of the injustices prevalent in society".


    The right has twisted it to mean "anything I don't like"
    That is certainly one of the definitions of the United States slang that is 'woke.' Not trying to disagree with you at all, but as I pointed out this term is used colloquially, so bringing clinical definitions that are argued into it isn't overly useful I feel? It's not as though we're entering clinical oration. The problem with making up terms in the slang of the vernacular is that we both end up using a word that means different things coming out of your mouth, than they mean coming out of my mouth. Even the Merriam Webster shows the definition you give as being a chiefly US slang.

    This isn't me trying to 'own' you, not at all: I'm thankful you brought this up! Debates (and gods forfend the idea I present this thread as such) have a preferred rule for starting discourse with the defining of terms. Whether people agree that 'woke' means the same thing isn't important, but rather learning what each side means when they say it is the important part.

    To you, woke means 'aware of injustices [...]' for example. For me, it means what I listed far above. That isn't the presentation of an argument, but it's very fruitful grounds on which to begin a discussion. Why X, Why Y? Why the differences?

    Most importantly: If we cut away the fat on an example, would we end up agreeing on take-aways of a given topic despite having varying definitions? I like to think in most cases, we would. That's why I see promise in discourse like this, and why it disheartens me so much to see people just start the nazi slap fight I mentioned in lieu of discourse that would likely show how similar peoples opinions are, rather than how distant or exclusive from one another.

    One is intrinsically damaging, the other is intrinsically uniting.
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  5. #155
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    I think Wuk has a few character flaws here and there.

    For the "wokeness" part though. I don't know if that applies in this situation, despite the Wuk's VA being trans.
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    Are there no moderators here? How is it possible that a thread like this can stay up?
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  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuwafuwaMii View Post
    Are there no moderators here? How is it possible that a thread like this can stay up?
    Seems like the fact someone has a different opinion than you is a big problem for you.

    I'd suggest you dont read threads you dont like, but that'd be too logical, it's better to complain.
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  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophiaDL View Post
    Seems like the fact someone has a different opinion than you is a big problem for you.

    I'd suggest you dont read threads you dont like, but that'd be too logical, it's better to complain.
    It's a useless thread imo. Player no longer plays the game, it's yet another waste of time forum post. Problem isn't what their reasoning is. It's that they don't have a reason to announce to the forums they are leaving and looking for sympathy. Like who cares about your sub? Nobody not even SE because your already out the door.
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  9. #159
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarini View Post
    It's a useless thread imo. Player no longer plays the game, it's yet another waste of time forum post. Problem isn't what their reasoning is. It's that they don't have a reason to announce to the forums they are leaving and looking for sympathy. Like who cares about your sub? Nobody not even SE because your already out the door.
    SE sends people to the forums to give feedback when quitting and even in the ticket UI in the game,

    Player left feedback.

    You dont decide what is useless or isnt. Feedback isnt what you deem to be feedback. So nah this thread is fine, OP has the right to his opinion, just like you have the right to your opinion that its useless.
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  10. #160
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    Its nice to see how wholesome the forums are im glad i put my trust in these ppl to keep me alive in trials i sure hope nothing bad happens....right?...right?????
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