Pictomancer is insanely overtuned and needs to be fixed before savage drops.

[Eraden]

Thanks. That clarifies things.



The point is not "what is utility", but "what are you comparing". You can't compare rDPS AND add utility (in the form of damage buffs from external sources). That is counting those damage buffs twice. If you want to compare dps charts and go "yeah BLM should be higher because no utility", you need to look at nDPS or aDPS.

Mao post was nots about what dps was being dones. Mao post was about rediculous attempt to gaslights and redefine the word "utility".

[rewd]

Wow. Just wow. Now peoples trying to defend Pictos performance by nitpickings and redefinings the word "utility". Standard definition of "utility" has always been any abiltys whats buffs other party members IN ANY WAY. Until now apparently. Mao reminded of another game, Warhammers 40K, where some players would endlessly argue over definitions of words likes "and" or "or" in rulebooks. This is whats Mao seeing rights now happenings with Pictos. When peoples start gettings so defensive abouts Pictos being described as having utilitys, Mao wonders. Mao wonders. Now Mao nots saying that way to fix problem is to nerf Pictos buts SOMETHING has to be done to restore balance. Tryings to redefine the word "utility" is NOT going to convince peoples that is nothings to see here.

If Battle Litany is utility, so is Midare Setsugekka because they both lead to the same result: damage.

What's the point of a damage buff if you end up weaker than a selfish job even in coordinated groups? At that point a raid buff is just a penalty that always punishes and never rewards you. It's not that hard to understand.

[aiqa]

Mao post was nots about what dps was being dones. Mao post was about rediculous attempt to gaslights and redefine the word "utility".

I've played games were utility basically meant "anything not doing or buffing damage or healing, or improving defenses", basically stuff outside of the 3 core functions of the trinity. So stuns, roots, interupts, movement abilities, resource management, stuff like that. I wasn't aware any concensus on the meaning of utility as "buffing your party in any way". Nor can I find any such strict definition on google.

[Eraden]

If Battle Litany is utility, so is Midare Setsugekka because they both lead to the same result: damage.

What's the point of a damage buff if you end up weaker than a selfish job even in coordinated groups? At that point a raid buff is just a penalty that always punishes and never rewards you. It's not that hard to understand.

What so hard to understand abouts Mao post? Mao talkings about proper definition of word "utility". Mao nots concerned with dps. That for number crunchers to figures out. Mao just wants peoples to stop gaslightings about definition of "utility". Pictos HAS utility. So does any other job whats buffs, in any way, other peoples.

[Eraden]

I've played games were utility basically meant "anything not doing or buffing damage or healing, or improving defenses", basically stuff outside of the 3 core functions of the trinity. So stuns, roots, interupts, movement abilities, resource management, stuff like that. I wasn't aware any concensus on the meaning of utility as "buffing your party in any way". Nor can I find any such strict definition on google.

Mao been playings D&D and other games like its for over 40 years. Is has been ALWAYS accepteds that "utility" was buffings other party members IN ANY WAY.

[Supersnow845]

Wow. Just wow. Now peoples trying to defend Pictos performance by nitpickings and redefinings the word "utility". Standard definition of "utility" has always been any abiltys whats buffs other party members IN ANY WAY. Until now apparently. Mao reminded of another game, Warhammers 40K, where some players would endlessly argue over definitions of words likes "and" or "or" in rulebooks. This is whats Mao seeing rights now happenings with Pictos. When peoples start gettings so defensive abouts Pictos being described as having utilitys, Mao wonders. Mao wonders. Now Mao nots saying that way to fix problem is to nerf Pictos buts SOMETHING has to be done to restore balance. Tryings to redefine the word "utility" is NOT going to convince peoples that is nothings to see here.

Tempra grassa and the heal on star prism IS utility, nobody is arguing PCT has no utility, but a buff is not utility because it just leads to damage, the only time a buff might be considered utility is if it’s something like dance partner because with dance partner you can buff a specific person which leads to optimisation like feeding gear to the dance partner

But starry muse is not utility

What so hard to understand abouts Mao post? Mao talkings about proper definition of word "utility". Mao nots concerned with dps. That for number crunchers to figures out. Mao just wants peoples to stop gaslightings about definition of "utility". Pictos HAS utility. So does any other job whats buffs, in any way, other peoples.

That just isn’t how it is in 14, raw damage buffs aren’t utility in 14

[aiqa]

Mao been playings D&D and other games like its for over 40 years. Is has been ALWAYS accepteds that "utility" was buffings other party members IN ANY WAY.

I look for "d&d what is utility" on google, the first website I find is https://www.dndlounge.com/utility-spells-5e/
That says: "Mostly, I mean “utility” as a kind of catchall for a spell that doesn’t deal damage, debuff enemies, or heal or buff allies."
So apparently even in D&D there isn't such a strong consencus as you claim.

[Eraden]

I look for "d&d what is utility" on google, the first website I find is https://www.dndlounge.com/utility-spells-5e/
That says: "Mostly, I mean “utility” as a kind of catchall for a spell that doesn’t deal damage, debuff enemies, or heal or buff allies."
So apparently even in D&D there isn't such a strong consencus as you claim.

Wow! One post from ONE person. As opposed to the THOUSANDS of peoples Mao encountered over the years who agree abouts "utility" spells being anything that buffs party members in any way. No worries though. Mao startings to gets vibe from some of you that Mao gots from players nitpickings Warhammer 40K rules. Mao realizings is no point in arguing this further. Some of you gonna stick to your guns and keep saying damage buffs nots "utility". Mao will leave you all to continue your discussions.

[aiqa]

Wow! One post from ONE person. As opposed to the THOUSANDS of peoples Mao encountered over the years who agree abouts "utility" spells being anything that buffs party members in any way. No worries though. Mao startings to gets vibe from some of you that Mao gots from players nitpickings Warhammer 40K rules. Mao realizings is no point in arguing this further. Some of you gonna stick to your guns and keep saying damage buffs nots "utility". Mao will leave you all to continue your discussions.

So I have to believe you on your word, without any proof. I've looked a bit further and none of things I could find suggest that "utility" is widely recognized as a word for any team buffs.

Going further down the google list:

https://www.cbr.com/dnd-best-classes-for-utility/ > implies utility is non-combat related
https://blackcitadelrpg.com/best-utility-spells-5e/ > "A utility spell refers to a spell that doesn’t have a function tied to combat."
https://www.thegamer.com/dungeons-dr...tility-spells/ > doesn't seem to provide any definition
https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comment...r_for_utility/ > states "buffing up other party mates" is one of multiple types of utility
https://blackcitadelrpg.com/utility-items-5e/ > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest items are party damage buffs
https://assortedmeeples.com/most-und...y-spells-dd-5e > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest spells are party damage buffs
https://www.gamersdecide.com/article...utility-spells > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest spells are party damage buffs

And chatgpt which is basically a combination of all opinions on the internet, with a bit of political correctness enforced, says:
In Dungeons & Dragons (D&D), a utility ability refers to a skill, spell, or feature that provides non-combat benefits or enhances the versatility of a character. Unlike offensive or defensive abilities, which focus on dealing damage or protecting the character, utility abilities are designed to solve problems, navigate environments, gather information, or interact with the world in ways that go beyond combat scenarios.

And it might be best not to enforce the Warhammer 40k jargon on FF14. And much less in such an agressive and condecending tone. That will just cause misunderunderstandings.

[Eraden]

So I have to believe you on your word, without any proof. I've looked a bit further and none of things I could find suggest that "utility" is widely recognized as a word for any team buffs.

Going further down the google list:

https://www.cbr.com/dnd-best-classes-for-utility/ > implies utility is non-combat related
https://blackcitadelrpg.com/best-utility-spells-5e/ > "A utility spell refers to a spell that doesn’t have a function tied to combat."
https://www.thegamer.com/dungeons-dr...tility-spells/ > doesn't seem to provide any definition
https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comment...r_for_utility/ > states "buffing up other party mates" is one of multiple types of utility
https://blackcitadelrpg.com/utility-items-5e/ > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest items are party damage buffs
https://assortedmeeples.com/most-und...y-spells-dd-5e > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest spells are party damage buffs
https://www.gamersdecide.com/article...utility-spells > doesn't seem to provide any definition, but none of the suggest spells are party damage buffs

And chatgpt which is basically a combination of all opinions on the internet, with a bit of political correctness enforced, says:
In Dungeons & Dragons (D&D), a utility ability refers to a skill, spell, or feature that provides non-combat benefits or enhances the versatility of a character. Unlike offensive or defensive abilities, which focus on dealing damage or protecting the character, utility abilities are designed to solve problems, navigate environments, gather information, or interact with the world in ways that go beyond combat scenarios.

And it might be best not to enforce the Warhammer 40k jargon on FF14. And much less in such an agressive and condecending tone. That will just cause misunderunderstandings.

Is might want to look little bits closer at some of those sites. For example first site mentioned in list includes utility spells what DO buff damage capability of teammates (example: Cleric). Also, ChatGPT is not a very good source for infos. It can be hilariously wrong at times. If Mao comes off as condecendings, Mao apologizes. Mao nots want be rude. However, is concerning to Mao that many here seem to want to ignore obvious attractiveness of a job whats can buff damage output of entire party.