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    Iscah's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    Keys  :)


    (Pg. 78 of the EE has a quick one-pager on them. Gives the impression they might have been important plot devices in a discarded plotline.)


    It's probably a coincidence.
    OH WAIT I was here for that. Put it out of mind entirely once it was looking like abandoned plot thread from before they rewrote the Ascians into Amaurotines, plus I know there had been stuff in 1.0 so I assumed you were talking about that.

    *rummages around the script box*

    From An Uninvited Ascian:

    NABRIALES
    Now is the time to claim the staff!
    With it in my grasp, I shall rise above them all and take my place at Lord Zodiark's right hand!
    The staff Tupsimati─or rather, the stone tablet it bears─is host to a great power.
    Together with the horn, it can be used to draw vast quantities of aether from its bearer's surroundings.
    What use!? You mean to say that all this time, you kept the key, never knowing what it was you possessed?
    It would certainly be interesting if they've come back to clean this up.


    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    Same deal with Elidabus’s sudden mastery over being able to send us exactly where and when we needed to go (Elpis), despite the ancients fully believing time travel was impossible, humanity needing several generations to get it kinda-sorta-right (although off by some years?), and us destroying the Alexander control unit in the basement.

    [...]

    The starship is another problem I have. Sharlayan has the ability to link aetherytes (Thav to Sharlayan), so travel is possible without actually having gone before. So why not get the rabbits to twin the moon to a top secret aetheryte? Why build a ship at all when people (in general) can just teleport? Even Thancred without his magic could teleport. Need Sharlayan people specificity to go to the moon? Ok, sure, don’t need that big of a ship to do it.
    Elidibus did sort of get fused with the tower and he picked up the Exarch's memories along the way, so he's got a grasp of at least the fundamentals of the device and I could accept that from that starting point he could have the right additional knowledge how to make it work better and open up a precise portal to the right place and approximate time. It does annoy me that they seem to have forgotten about destroying the time machine core, though.

    As for the starship, if the will of the star Herself tells you it's absolutely necessary to build a starship then that's what you build. Behind the scenes it's likely that Hydaelyn playing near-literal 4D chess to make the people think the starship is needed for the evacuation, but actually intends all along that it will take you to where Meteion has gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post

    Elidibus did sort of get fused with the tower and he picked up the Exarch's memories along the way, so he's got a grasp of at least the fundamentals of the device and I could accept that from that starting point he could have the right additional knowledge how to make it work better and open up a precise portal to the right place and approximate time. It does annoy me that they seem to have forgotten about destroying the time machine core, though.

    As for the starship, if the will of the star Herself tells you it's absolutely necessary to build a starship then that's what you build. Behind the scenes it's likely that Hydaelyn playing near-literal 4D chess to make the people think the starship is needed for the evacuation, but actually intends all along that it will take you to where Meteion has gone.
    I mean, sure, or, it's just easy for the writers to make events happen the way they want them to by hand waving like this. Pretty much as soon as Garlemald was done in 6.0, the game jumped the shark. I still like theorycraft and having fun guessing at what's coming, but it's hard to take the in-game universe seriously. Even if they make up reasons for it to work in game, it still feels lazy.

    Endwalker Pitch Meeting

    Ok, writers, First order of business, NO, you can NOT call it "moonwalker".
    - ...

    Ok. So, let's talk ENDGAME! We need to get the player to Ultima Thule to take out the angsty teenager. How will they know to get there?
    -Let's have Venat put a magic tracking device on the final boss.

    I mean... ok but how will Venat know to do that?
    -We can use the time traveling tower to have PCs meet Venat in the past and tell her. Ooh ooh! We can throw in Emet. They love some Emet.

    But won't that be a problem if Emet knows the whole thing?

    -Right.. Oh! Have you seen Men In Black?

    Fine, fine. But how are they going to make the tower work. We JUST put out that dungeon breaking the core.
    -Let's just let the dead ascian still kinda be alive, and
    -give him all the memories he needs and
    -be able to sacrifice his remaining aether-power to do the work and
    -be able to make the time jump work through sheer determination, because the actual time machine bit is gone AND
    -have him be willing to help even though other Ascians could still be in play to make the rejoining happen elsewhere!

    Alright. How are they gonna get to Ultima Thule then?
    -We'll just have Venat tell them to build a starship. But she'll say it's for going to the moon.

    Perfect! But can we bring Emet back a second time? Wanna get our money's worth!
    -You betcha! We'll have him come back with the power of feelings!

    The what?
    -We'll call it Dynamis. Oh! We can use Dynamis to point to the past zone, using uh.. Flowers!

    Fine, whatever.
    -*doodles fanart of Zenos and Ardbert*
    -Can we have the WoL ride Zenos?
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    Last edited by kaynide; 08-02-2024 at 01:32 AM.