Thank you for VPR change!! [Positive thread]

[Akamadoshi]

We can respectfully disagree - I never have a problem with that. I'm glad that you are now feeling better at the job and can enjoy it.

I only want to share that the job has only been out a few weeks, and I feel it would have been okay for the Devs to give people more time with it. A lot of jobs become easier to deal with the more time you spend playing them.

I dislike that this feels like a knee-jerk reaction when people barely had time to truly play the job long enough to claim that they cannot understand it or play it well. I think it's fine that some jobs are more complicated and take more to pick up. Viper clicked in my mind almost immediately, but I can see how for some it might have taken a little bit longer.

It's kind of like the people calling for nerfs on dungeon difficulty the day they released. Like please - let people gear up and learn mechanics. Come back later and say if they still need nerfs. Likely the answer is No, they don't need nerfs. I feel the devs listen to too much outcry from players who haven't truly tried to learn, because they don't think players should experience challenge or difficulty and overcome anything needed to be learned.

myself was very surprised. too.
they mention only on position.... so I expected no less... but it turns something else because of overwhelming feedback ease dony change"
So positionals survived... To me I think it is also their choice of timing to release. I am also a bit going back and forth "Can I am main viper" but the real change come during savage, I wished to practice on Extremew.
I think it is very sloppy choice on them for sure but the result for me was more positive. But I do not wish to be selfish and hold out my hand for those disagree to listen ^^

[Petroglyph]

I liked having a poison effect because I liked playing a rogue a long time ago in wow, but, upkeeping it was kind of just a combo that existed only to upkeep it. It wasn't hard for me at all to keep my buffs and debuff up, but it did act like a speed bump sometimes. VPR feels exactly the same except now you just have more incentive to not forget to do your 1-2-3. So the change is neutral-to-positive for me. ^-^

[LisseyCrowe]

I understand that this long list is meant to represent the issues you have with the job, but at the end of the day the only actual change is that tracking a debuff was traded for an even stronger hyperfocus on hotbars since you now need to remember which combo starter you were on (and with Viper's button consolidation you actually can lose track of which to use, especially after Awakening). Well actually a lot of changes happened with combo buffs which are rather important but no one brings those up. They also didn't need the debuff changes so not too important to bring up.

Forgive me for doing this but I've edited your post to how the job works now and you'll notice most of your issues with the job still persist. I'm not doing this to be mean, if anything, I'm doing this to say that if this is the change that got you to finally being able to enjoy Viper, you probably didn't need it as much as a couple extra roulettes.

The job was previously in my experience not easy because

- Hyperfocus on hotbars (I am still struggling with it but it is skill issues, not job issue)
- Then need to cry every time disengage enemies
- Then make sure of positional, even though not difficult, it is more than other jobs (If I am wrong, scold me!)
- has high ping issue interacting with poor timing.

- I think many people mistake "braindead jobs"
I feel Viper is actually most difficult even when it shows what button to press,
it's not about pressing the shiny button but pressing the shiny button in a correct timing.
This misconception of "less button means easier job" has been frustrating me. Maybe because I misunderstand the meaning myself.
(Please feel free to enlighten me)


- VPR buttons do not cancel out each other, so there is an important timing to it with buff. (I feel this gives me anxiety but a lot good feeling when done right!)
- All while steadily moving character and keeping the enemy gimmicks in mind is hard!
- It require brain memory of skill turn / gimmick movement and directions.

Also:

Really love how faster the class feels now.

So, I don't mind the Viper right now. It's more or less the same, just a little faster.

Literally nothing was changed. Slither animation-lock is shorter, I guess. Irrelevant.

[Higashikata]

Thank you for making VPR another auto-pilot job like summoner, we really need more completely homogenized jobs like it

[Akamadoshi]

I understand that this long list is meant to represent the issues you have with the job, but at the end of the day the only actual change is that tracking a debuff was traded for an even stronger hyperfocus on hotbars since you now need to remember which combo starter you were on (and with Viper's button consolidation you actually can lose track of which to use, especially after Awakening). Well actually a lot of changes happened with combo buffs which are rather important but no one brings those up. They also didn't need the debuff changes so not too important to bring up.

Forgive me for doing this but I've edited your post to how the job works now and you'll notice most of your issues with the job still persist. I'm not doing this to be mean, if anything, I'm doing this to say that if this is the change that got you to finally being able to enjoy Viper, you probably didn't need it as much as a couple extra roulettes.



Also:



Literally nothing was changed. Slither animation-lock is shorter, I guess. Irrelevant.

Ｔhank you for this post ! Yes, I wish desperately to main VPR but as of right now it is unable to ^^;
The less burden of the timing of poison is less troublesome, but it wasn't a huge deal. The problem is, it does become a burden during pull of trash/disengage enemies.
Eventually those who say "it is removed for nothing" I think would have persistent issue in the future and their boss design cannot allow too much of disengagement (I read this in another blog)
But I think for the time being the small change makes me feel less burdened, even if it is a bit of illusion!