so apparently both EX1 and EX2 have been completed healer-less at this point

[IDontPetLalas]

The only real change between launch and now is that people have gotten 2 weeks of raid gear upgrades and I doubt that the 4-5 ilvl difference between the Raid Gear and Tombstone was that significant an improvement. It's more a matter of optimization and party comp than anything else.

So basically, every other job can look forwards to optimizing their role and having some fun, healers get left out , but all's right with the world. Kay, gotcha.

[Silver-Strider]

So basically, every other job can look forwards to optimizing their role and having some fun, healers get left out , but all's right with the world. Kay, gotcha.

Not really what I said. I meant it more so that gear wasn't the culprit in this situation, meaning that you could've possibly skipped healers entirely day one if you could figure out the proper set up.

[IDontPetLalas]

Not really what I said. I meant it more so that gear wasn't the culprit in this situation, meaning that you could've possibly skipped healers entirely day one if you could figure out the proper set up.

I think that you believe that i missed the point you were trying to make, however I believe the reverse is also true.

Sorry, no matter how I tried to write this is came out confusing. Let me just say this- you don't see any issue in leaving out a job entirely on day one? That doesn't constitute a "proper set up" to me if a job is based on a trinity. Before anyone says 'but it's just a dungeon", then it's "but it's just Ex"....

[Silver-Strider]

I think that you believe that i missed the point you were trying to make, however I believe the reverse is also true.

Sorry, no matter how I tried to write this is came out confusing. Let me just say this- you don't see any issue in leaving out a job entirely on day one? That doesn't constitute a "proper set up" to me if a job is based on a trinity. Before anyone says 'but it's just a dungeon", then it's "but it's just Ex"....

I don't think it's a good thing either. I think Healers are in an awful state and have been for years now. What little enjoyment there is for the whole role is a small grace period of people learning mechanics but after that, it gets optimized to such an extreme level that allows this sort of crap to happen in the 1st place. I hate it and wish it wasn't the case but it's been that way for 5 years and seems to be getting worse if day 1 no healer clears are even theoretically possible. I absolutely see the issue but until SE does something about it, we're only going to see more threads like this one pop up