Pictomancer is insanely overtuned and needs to be fixed before savage drops.

[remiff]

Are you aware a 5% nerf would put it where BLM is right now in cdps? Like, people just throw random numbers. If you gave it a 1% nerf it'd be 5th, behind 4 melees (SAM, VPR, MNK and RPR). I still don't get why people think PCT can't compete for top 3 in cdps.
(looked at 70, 80 and 90% in the extremes, if you want to know where the number came from)

they will never nerf him by 5%, but even if he were in the current place of the black mage he would remain reliable provided you do not touch the summoner and the red mage too much,
the black mage has the same DPS of the lowest melee.

I didn't say that the casters couldn't compete with the melee,
picto would still remain good and even in the current position of the black mage.

If they reduce the pictomancer's DPS it would certainly not be more than 1.5-3%

[Tsurayu]

The job is going to get eviscerated in high movement Savage fights because they stripped it of all the tools and flexibility it had to deal with it.
DT BLM is a more rigid, worse version of HW BLM. A HW job cannot survive DT encounter-design. Ofc the team didn't think about that, because, much like a stubborn goat, they don't plan at all and simply want to have their way regardless of what the players prefer/what the encounters need.

I don't buy that. BLM still has a plethora of tools to help with heavy movement mechanics.

It's the same bad faith argument Black Mages have after every expansion. It's not that the mechanics of the new EXs and the upcoming Savages will be nigh impossible for the class, it's just a matter of learning to optimize your gameplay - the same as it's always been. Black Mage has always had the highest skill ceiling of any class and it isn't suddenly worse in Dawntrail. Potencies are not the only issue, but it is a core issue with the class right now.

[Galvuu]

I don't buy that. BLM still has a plethora of tools to help with heavy movement mechanics.

It's the same bad faith argument Black Mages have after every expansion. It's not that the mechanics of the new EXs and the upcoming Savages will be nigh impossible for the class, it's just a matter of learning to optimize your gameplay - the same as it's always been. Black Mage has always had the highest skill ceiling of any class and it isn't suddenly worse in Dawntrail. Potencies are not the only issue, but it is a core issue with the class right now.

Bad faith? BLM has objectively less tools now in DT than it had in EW. Like, substantially less. The movement tools BLM has also incur a hefty cost in burst damage. In fact, that's one of the reasons why it's underperforming- if you blow your Xenos and Triples to move around then guess what, your burst is reduced by 30% (napkin math, it may actually be worse than this depending on how your AF cycle lines up in burst- since, you know, you can't exactly skip UI or manipulate the length of your fire lines anymore). To aggravate this further, your Ley Lines are borderline unusable in some of the 2 min bursts that coincide with heavy movement (good luck staying on them during Honey Bee's heart spam or double lariat). Was already a problem in many EW fights too (P7S, P8Sp1, P12Sp1 and p2, TOP, etc).

It's evidently not the "same as it's ever been" because in ShB and EW you had some control over the length of your fire cycle. Further, ShB, for the most part, both had not enforced the 2 minute meta as strictly (your LL were on a 90s cd and, depending on kill time and the burst window, you had some liberty for when you'd place them) and fights were lower in movement overall (E4S p1, which people considered quite hectic, has less movement than TOP p1 or 12S superchain). In fact, just because of your comment, I went and had a look at the top 3 logs on either Ex trial for BLM to see if they managed to keep 4x Xenoglossies for any of the burst windows in either fight. The answer was that they didn't the majority had 2, with a smaller number having 1 or 3. BLM is the job that has to sacrifice the most burst to deal with mechanics, which also wasn't really a factor in ShB or EW, and penalizes the job further. But sure, we can pretend this is "lack of mastery" by the top parsing BLM players.

I mean, you can't really say "I don't buy it" and "BLM is really struggling" in the same sentence- sure, some of it is low potencies, but the BLM burst/uptime on a real fight and a dummy are vastly different. This is a hurdle the job is facing right now.

[Turtledeluxe]

You can't fix BLM by simply tuning its numbers. The job is going to get eviscerated in high movement Savage fights because they stripped it of all the tools and flexibility it had to deal with it.
DT BLM is a more rigid, worse version of HW BLM. A HW job cannot survive DT encounter-design. Ofc the team didn't think about that, because, much like a stubborn goat, they don't plan at all and simply want to have their way regardless of what the players prefer/what the encounters need.

So much this. I saw a Zepla stream where players were saying BLM has no problems. I need whatever they're smoking.

[Lyth]

Pretty much any job is going to feel immobile when you compare it to a job with nearly 50% sprint uptime. I wonder why they thought it was balanced to add a 5 second sprint to PCT's fixed distance dash on a 20 second recast.

[Supersnow845]

Have people actually looked at PCT’s entire profile before suggesting percentage nerfs

PCT’s only “cracked” parse is its gold parse, anything below that it falls squarely with the melees falling further and further than the tighter damage ranges of the melees as you drop down percentiles

Are people actually considering the class as a whole or just looking at the gold parse and saying it’s broken

[Ramiee]

BLM still has one of the lowest playerbase in the game so the rework for simplification to attract new players was as most of us predicted never going to work and instead made EW BLM mains leave the job to play PCT. Its honestly poetry, I also doubt that tomorrow will add siginifcant changes to fix BLM to attract either new player or EW players, next on the chopping block for rework is BLM and its both sad and hillarious that every single prediction people make here has come true.

[remiff]

BLM still has one of the lowest playerbase in the game so the rework for simplification to attract new players was as most of us predicted never going to work and instead made EW BLM mains leave the job to play PCT. Its honestly poetry, I also doubt that tomorrow will add siginifcant changes to fix BLM to attract either new player or EW players, next on the chopping block for rework is BLM and its both sad and hillarious that every single prediction people make here has come true.

The only possibility is that they make minor changes to the Black Mage in 7.1,
and even that isn't guaranteed, especially since they want to massively rework the jobs for 8.0.
However, you always have to take what devs say with a grain of salt.

[ViaDesperare]

BLM still has one of the lowest playerbase in the game so the rework for simplification to attract new players was as most of us predicted never going to work and instead made EW BLM mains leave the job to play PCT. Its honestly poetry, I also doubt that tomorrow will add siginifcant changes to fix BLM to attract either new player or EW players, next on the chopping block for rework is BLM and its both sad and hillarious that every single prediction people make here has come true.

Most people would probably want to stay as Picto because any drastic changes would probably make the prog/race for the raids be a bit too inconvenient and numbers haven't been calculated. I wonder if they'll just end up neglecting BLM this expansion in hopes that they can overhaul it in 8.0. It's like WoW all over again nerfing one spec so you don't play it, and to play another spec/class.

[KageTokage]

So, it seems like they opted for the "buff everyone else" approach to things.

Whether or not BLM is buffed enough to outDPS it now is the main thing I'm wondering.