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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    WHM should not be hitting as hard as SGE.

    All Healers should be hitting as hard as Tanks at a minimum.
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    Alice Rivers
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    All Healers should be hitting as hard as Tanks at a minimum.
    So every healer needs a damage buff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    So every healer needs a damage buff?
    Absolutely.
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    Alice Rivers
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    Sweet, that would kill SMN though.
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    Sweet, that would kill SMN though.
    That makes as much sense as saying that tanks having more than one damage skill put melee DPS out of their jobs.
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    Alice Rivers
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    I did some training dummy stuff with WHM and SMN back in EW with like for like ilvls, when comparing the damage numbers for single and multitarget attacks the damage per hit was near enough the same more often than not, with the exception of SMN's really high damage stuff the crit and direct crit hits went in favour of WHM.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    I did some training dummy stuff with WHM and SMN back in EW with like for like ilvls, when comparing the damage numbers for single and multitarget attacks the damage per hit was near enough the same more often than not, with the exception of SMN's really high damage stuff the crit and direct crit hits went in favour of WHM.
    According to some funny divining website that should not be named, average SMN has always been pulling about 50% more than an average WHM in both rDPS and aDPS department. They are nowhere 'close', not in the slightest.
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    Dusty Two
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    Behemoth
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    I did some training dummy stuff with WHM and SMN back in EW with like for like ilvls, when comparing the damage numbers for single and multitarget attacks the damage per hit was near enough the same more often than not, with the exception of SMN's really high damage stuff the crit and direct crit hits went in favour of WHM.
    Sooooo if we ignore the parts of SMNs kit that deals high damage, SMN doesn't deal high damage. But how much damage does it actually do when you DO account for those high damage spells?

    When comparing damage, you take the average amount of damage across the entire kit over the course of a rotation, not just a handful of spells. Of course Glare is gonna do similar to Ruin III, but it's going to get outdamaged significantly by the summons and demi-summons as well as the oGCDs.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
    Healers have been neglected for 3 expansions now and this needs to be rectified with the following:
    1. An engaging DPS kit beyond a nuke and DoT.
    2. Increased incoming damage so we have more to heal.
    3. Distinctive playstyles amongst the healers.
    4. Some nerfs to non-healer heals, we shouldn't be replaceable.

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    miraidensetsu's Avatar
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    Luno Belfi
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    Behemoth
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    SMN should be hitting as hard as PCT.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by miraidensetsu View Post
    SMN should be hitting as hard as PCT.
    PCT is an actual class, SMN is a healer without heals
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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