RMT or Bots? In Excalibur

[Starlord]

Just wondering.. who exactly would buy an account with characters of " auhuheuhfuh jeuifjofjsho"? :/

[Fear]

Just wondering.. who exactly would buy an account with characters of " auhuheuhfuh jeuifjofjsho"? :/

Probably just Gil-storing / PLing chars

[viion]

Just wondering.. who exactly would buy an account with characters of " auhuheuhfuh jeuifjofjsho"? :/

They are not selling accounts, they are doing leves for the gil. 10k/leve, x 20 rmt x 99 leves x 8 accounts = a massive amount of gil. They have a level 50 in the group go kill all the mobs, the tarus just turn leves on and collect gil.

But nothing will happen, because SE sees this:

[Raldo]

They are not selling accounts, they are doing leves for the gil. 10k/leve, x 20 rmt x 99 leves x 8 accounts = a massive amount of gil. They have a level 50 in the group go kill all the mobs, the tarus just turn leves on and collect gil.

But nothing will happen, because SE sees this:

The truly shady RMT with hundreds of accounts generally use fraud tactics to not pay for a majority of the throwaway accounts, so no, that's probably not what SE sees.

Between chargebacks and fraud penalties, RMT generally costs the MMO company money.

[viion]

The truly shady RMT with hundreds of accounts generally use fraud tactics to not pay for a majority of the throwaway accounts, so no, that's probably not what SE sees.

Between chargebacks and fraud penalties, RMT generally costs the MMO company money.

If the card was fake, it would fail purchase, thus you wouldnt get on, even if you got on, the next billing cycle would fail.

Many of the RMT have been around since launch, or months lol. I recognize many, they get added to my site a lot and people like to "Track them" using my site. I try to delete as much as pos as it messes up legit statistics (rmt only ones to hit highest leves complete lol).

So doubtful, SE just sees the money.

As for a PC that runs the game with 10 accounts, its easy, you just go in first person and face the ground, i dualbox and having 1 face ground frees up all FPS for other and I can max out 60. I've logged onto 3-4 accounts before doing this, not hard lol.

[Hyrist]

If the card was fake, it would fail purchase, thus you wouldnt get on, even if you got on, the next billing cycle would fail.

Many of the RMT have been around since launch, or months lol. I recognize many, they get added to my site a lot and people like to "Track them" using my site. I try to delete as much as pos as it messes up legit statistics (rmt only ones to hit highest leves complete lol).

So doubtful, SE just sees the money.

As for a PC that runs the game with 10 accounts, its easy, you just go in first person and face the ground, i dualbox and having 1 face ground frees up all FPS for other and I can max out 60. I've logged onto 3-4 accounts before doing this, not hard lol.

Fraud doesn't work that way.

The person using 'fake' cards are actually using stolen cards from other people (It happens waaay more than you think.)

The subscriptions are made as per normal, but then when people find out that their card is being used, they demand a backpay, which forces SE to pay back the money plus the transaction fee.

So no, RMT actually cost SE money in the long haul. To think otherwise is to be unaware about how credit transactions and credit fraud really work.

Just goes to show that SE are capitalist draconians, the RMT mob I reported still there u_u; I would compare this very much to corrupt governments. Is SE based in Burma? LOL FFS

You have to look at this from a business perspective: If they've gotten this far, the fraud has already taken place. Banning them now does nothing as they'll just cycle in the next set immediately - again, doing this costs the RMT nothing as they just cycle through a back log of stolen credit cards. Not to mention, RMT rarely carry the money on the obvious accounts. Usually it's a stolen account or set of accounts with normal names kept hidden for the most part.

The best way to hit these guys is the same way that was done in FFXI - hit them in the wallets. Draw out the RMT to gather the money, trace the money to the bank, ban the account that's hoarding the money as well as the farming accounts - costing the farmers both time and money in the process.

[viion]

Fraud doesn't work that way.

The person using 'fake' cards are actually using stolen cards from other people (It happens waaay more than you think.)

The subscriptions are made as per normal, but then when people find out that their card is being used, they demand a backpay, which forces SE to pay back the money plus the transaction fee.

So no, RMT actually cost SE money in the long haul. To think otherwise is to be unaware about how credit transactions and credit fraud really work.

But ummmm once their account has been found out to using stolen cards, wouldnt said account be suspended? Which isnt the case, many of these RMT have been around for months, over a year some of them lol

So no, I dont believe they all use Stolen Cards, because its doubtful they can get away with stolen cards for months/year long.