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    Noox-115's Avatar
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    Reminder for healers

    You are important for the team if you are in a dangerous situation heal yourself first before anyone else. If you die we most likely will all die depending of the content. I have seen SO many healers dying lately trying to save a party member before themself As a tank if i have to die for you to live i will do it gladly. I litterally cant clear Arcadion 2 with randoms because both healers always dies at like 40% so please if you are hurt heal yourself first
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    Karuru Karu
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Problem is that many mechanics will just kill you immediately even at full health.

    Get hit by a heart and you get stunned, AoEs will spawn under you and you will die.

    Get hit by a bee and fly in the wall, get hit by another bee before you can move away and you will die.

    The room for error is basically zero in many of the new fights. Especially in the more chaotic ones. And when you make one little mistake as a healer you will likely cause a wipe.
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    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

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    Lilimo Limomo
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    For what it's worth, the healers you want to send this message to don't use these forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    Problem is that many mechanics will just kill you immediately even at full health.

    Get hit by a heart and you get stunned, AoEs will spawn under you and you will die.

    Get hit by a bee and fly in the wall, get hit by another bee before you can move away and you will die.

    The room for error is basically zero in many of the new fights. Especially in the more chaotic ones. And when you make one little mistake as a healer you will likely cause a wipe.
    I saw that happened too, I never understood why healers, a crucial role like this having really bad armors I get it they are casters and healers but like even in real life Combat Medic are geared as much as everyone or at least if you wnat to make more sence give healers more Vitality more HP it should be a trait of the role like maximum health increased by 20% with weaker variant for lower levels
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I play favorites: you are a baller certified Sigma Level damage dealer? I will do whatever it takes to keep you alive. You are my precious baby and I will burn everything possible to keep you alive since you have bothered to learn how to play your class. You press Feint/Addle? Bonus points and I will coddle you. You are a gigachad tank that uses buddy mit on the MT routinely? You are my precious baby and I will protect you. You do things that will enable prog like clemency, or if it's a FUBAR situation and you have a stack, killing yourself to save the raid? I will literally HARDCAST the res for you, every time, no questions asked.

    Hell, if you do those things, and you ask for a shield so that you can greed a mech for uptime? No problem. You save me headaches and grief, so I will do something nice to enable you.

    Also, if you are cute or funny, I give you special attention as well. Male Rothgar co healer? We ball. Cute lala tank? We ball. Funny and creative name? We ball.

    YOU COMMIT THE CARDINAL SIN OF TAKING AN ACTION AFTER BEING RES'D AND DIE AGAIN? YOU REMAIN THERE FOREVER UNLESS THE OTHER HEALER DEIGNS TO HAVE MERCY UPON YOU. DO NOT DO THIS. EVER.

    The ONLY time that I break this iron clad rule is if party death is imminent without your sorry ass up and alive. They don't deserve to suffer for your foolishness and lack of foresight. LET YOUR HEALERS HEAL YOU IF YOU GET UP FFS YOU HAVE FIVE SECONDS OF PURE IMMUNITY AND THE LEAST THAT YOU CAN DO IS HUMBLE YOURSELF AND NOT HIT YOUR BASIC COMBO STARTER AND DIE AGAIN. You have weakness. You lost all your resources. That 250 potency basic attack ain't doing anything, honey. I'm sorry, but that ship has sailed and you just gotta make like Elsa and "let it go".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelius2625 View Post
    LET YOUR HEALERS HEAL YOU IF YOU GET UP FFS YOU HAVE FIVE SECONDS OF PURE IMMUNITY AND THE LEAST THAT YOU CAN DO IS HUMBLE YOURSELF AND NOT HIT YOUR BASIC COMBO STARTER AND DIE AGAIN.
    I get it the vibe. But I would also be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of players don't know that the "five seconds of post-rez immunity that ends prematurely if you take an action" mechanic exists; the game does next to nothing to teach players about this functionality. I'll add this to the list of things that Hall of the Novice could teach but doesn't.
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    K'ayla Rhiki
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo View Post
    I get it the vibe. But I would also be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of players don't know that the "five seconds of post-rez immunity that ends prematurely if you take an action" mechanic exists; the game does next to nothing to teach players about this functionality. I'll add this to the list of things that Hall of the Novice could teach but doesn't.
    To be fair, you'd think they'd eventually learn when they die to mechanics after being rezzed while other party members just stand in the fire taking a short little break. If it's a sprout, no big deal, but I've seen more than a few veterans that clearly don't have the desire to improve unless it's spoonfed to them. That's why we get complains about the MSQ dungeons being too difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelius2625 View Post
    YOU COMMIT THE CARDINAL SIN OF TAKING AN ACTION AFTER BEING RES'D AND DIE AGAIN? YOU REMAIN THERE FOREVER UNLESS THE OTHER HEALER DEIGNS TO HAVE MERCY UPON YOU. DO NOT DO THIS. EVER.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelius2625 View Post
    Also just to add my 2 cents since I've tanked since late HW: you are ego tripping if you have "you pull you tank". Get over yourselves. Stop being cry babies. I've tanked literally every Ultimate except for TOP from start to finish. I've tanked every raid tier from Sigmascape seriously... you are ego tripping.
    Hypocrisy somehow?

    Just pick up the poor souls or you are not better than the you pull you tank guys.
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    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

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    I agree with you, but unfortunately you will get push back anytime you ask healers to do the bare minimum in this game... I say that as a healer main.
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo View Post
    I get it the vibe. But I would also be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of players don't know that the "five seconds of post-rez immunity that ends prematurely if you take an action" mechanic exists; the game does next to nothing to teach players about this functionality. I'll add this to the list of things that Hall of the Novice could teach but doesn't.
    5 seconds doesn't give you enough time to start casting. So unless you're a WHM with the "thin air" option, you're basically going to have to hit Lucid Dreaming before you can do anything else. It's actually the worst on Scholar, because if Lucid Dreaming is not available, you are going to have to wait for Aetherflow before you have another option, where as WHM can wait for Assize.

    Which brings around the point that, unless one of those options are available, don't hit "Accept" to revive until one is, or you're going to get nailed by the very next thing that does damage. So that might require spending 60s on the floor if you just got revived and immediately KO'd after using Lucid Dreaming. Because that does happen.

    Probably the worst version of this problem is trying to use LB3 without a tank still alive. Because the boss will make a bee-line to you the second you do ANY action.
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