Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[gumas]

Spheeeeen, listun tu miiiiii

stuff like this made me so glad i play this with jp voice lol

also, is this just me or i feel like they "disneyfy" a lot of stuff in this expansion? heartfelt succession trial, bakool jaja went complete attitude personality change after 1 scene, rubber bullet duel? invasion only killed 50 people? ok this one a bit stretch but i always assume tural is huge city with population around thousands or something like that, it just the usual ff14 condensed everything to "small size" so we player dont move a lot in it

[Keiizah]

I'm a tad late to the rubber bullet discussion, but to add to how ridiculous thing is, when Zoral Ja's army tried to attack again, they defeated armored soldiers and ships by shooting them with rubber bullets. Unless I missed something and they suddenly switched to actual bullets, none of this makes sense. Because in the very first attack on Tuliyollal you can see that steel weapons aren't enough to break their armor. If anyone wants to see https://youtu.be/WDRv6jQrOgc?si=nJK-98yp0IXVnv3D 1:00 where Gulool Ja Ja can't pierce this soldier with his heavy weapon but I guess rubber bullets can smh)

[PaleYonder]

"If we put real bullets in our guns against the invading robot-people army, it'll make us just as bad as them."

[Papayatar]

I'm a tad late to the rubber bullet discussion, but to add to how ridiculous thing is, when Zoral Ja's army tried to attack again, they defeated armored soldiers and ships by shooting them with rubber bullets. Unless I missed something and they suddenly switched to actual bullets, none of this makes sense. Because in the very first attack on Tuliyollal you can see that steel weapons aren't enough to break their armor. If anyone wants to see https://youtu.be/WDRv6jQrOgc?si=nJK-98yp0IXVnv3D 1:00 where Gulool Ja Ja can't pierce this soldier with his heavy weapon but I guess rubber bullets can smh)

Maybe they’re “special” rubber bullets that are somehow safe enough to fire at people, but also can disable or seriously damage robots of unknown/alien metal :/. They could have went with that (special rubber damages alien metal) but then how would Estinien be able to help fight. Unless they gave him a rubber lance/spear and we missed that hand off lol

Also even IRL rubber bullets still can hurt a ton with serious or fatal injuries so…don’t see how much “safer” rubber bullets are other than lowering deaths by duels.

But overall the rubber bullets just are nonsensical especially in the invasion context. It’s like, is the robot army super strong cuz it’s hard to use normal metal weapons on them, or are they so weak if we throw a bouncy ball at them they go down easily enough for a small western town +1 OP Dragoon too take them out.

Edit: Also, let’s imagine they switched from rubber to real bullets for the fight. Where did the real bullets come from and how’d they get enough to defend the town in short order? The story kinda sorta implies the rubber bullet thing has been around for a while so I’d assume they wouldn’t keep real bullets for a “just in case” scenario. Especially with how there’s like 0 conflicts, in Tural as a whole, that seemingly can’t be easily solved with peace talks or food.

I’d maybe believe they had real bullets tucked away somewhere if the crooked deputy kept them for his gang. That would have been interesting to add to the stealing for riches side job he had maybe.

[SwadTheFrog]

Maybe they’re “special” rubber bullets

[TheOperator3712]

I feel like Hiroi doesn't remember shit about the lore despite having worked on the game for years. Or maybe he just doesn't wanna acknowledge anything he didn't previously write? I mean, we had a gun duel not that long ago. It had some pretty good animations and someone getting shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBZu1UBpH2c

Didn't that screenshot that shows what Hiroi has worked on say that he worked on 5.5?

[Rannie]

Ahh the irony my phone is either spying on me or YouTube is uncanny...

https://youtu.be/ot3VQ0FeZS8?si=2ES9e0E1xIwbkb88

[LisseyCrowe]

Not to be a party pooper but I think you guys are thinking too hard about the rubber bullets, or at least backwards. That is to say, I was under the impression that the rubber bullets were exclusively for duels, not the other way around, hence the red-headed guy going "Using rubber bullets, of course", as if to bring attention to the fact that that's not the usual ammunition in those guns.

Granted it's still dumb, like someone got worried duels to the death would be too savage or uncivilized (which, to be fair, I agree with) but that's where you probably add a "If the duel ends in death, there are no winners and the killer gets jailed" rule instead to enforce some civility.

[Raven2014]

Granted it's still dumb, like someone got worried duels to the death would be too savage or uncivilized (which, to be fair, I agree with) but that's where you probably add a "If the duel ends in death, there are no winners and the killer gets jailed" rule instead to enforce some civility.

It's like ... if you decide to include a scene someone get shot in the chest, than you should also show the blood and bleeding. Imagine if you see that scene with the character get shot, another NPC hold their hand crying as they're dying, lying in their own puddle of ... water (?) How would you feel about that? For me I'm pretty sure any kind of tension intended for the scene would immediately evaporated, and that's the kind of effect the rubber bullet thing had on me in term of the zone impression.

[LisseyCrowe]

It's like ... if you decide to include a scene someone get shot in the chest, than you should also show the blood and bleeding. Imagine if you see that scene with the character get shot, another NPC hold their hand crying as they're dying, lying in their own puddle of ... water (?) How would you feel about that? For me I'm pretty sure any kind of tension intended for the scene would immediately evaporated, and that's the kind of effect the rubber bullet thing had on me in term of the zone impression.

In all honesty I don't know why you'd ever expect a graphic depiction in this game and expansion (the few times we get anything it's for unique cases, not a side quest to a sidequest in all but name), but ...

I think the mistake was bringing attention to it at all. If the guy was shot with normal bullets, fell down, groaned for a while and got back up because he's wearing armour no one would've batted an eye. Might even have made the kid look cooler since he's in a tank top iirc?

Why are people settling things with gun duels at all? Because it's a western reference? I can suspend my disbelief when a beast tribe does something weird, but when it's all humanoids going "MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, MIGHT MAKES RIGHT" and we go along with it it just seems cringe. Even the Scions/Player only go that once nothing else has worked.