We need expansion/duty bans and easier/harder modes of duties.

[Kuroka]

Stop this troll posts, the game is way too easy as is. If youre actually struggling this much, please accept its the wrong game.

[Kira619]

Stop this troll posts, the game is way too easy as is. If youre actually struggling this much, please accept its the wrong game.

Yours is a troll post. The elitist spent months, if not years on this forum talking about how this game needs to be more difficult. Did casual gamers tell you "please accept its the wrong game?" Nope, even with the fact that elitist had savage and other modes. They told you to jump to those modes. But you know what, at least you had an option. The problem is there is no reverse for this game for those wanting easier content. There isn't an easier difficulty to jump to in Duties. (Technically they can easily make one, just grant the option to put on the echo which gives you a boost to your stats, akin to very easy mode on story solo duties, problem solved) The gatekeeping to try and push people who enjoy easier content out of the game is the fullest definition of trolling.

[SekiaTa1ga]

Yours is a troll post. The elitist spent months, if not years on this forum talking about how this game needs to be more difficult. Did casual gamers tell you "please accept its the wrong game?" Nope, even with the fact that elitist had savage and other modes. They told you to jump to those modes. But you know what, at least you had an option. The problem is there is no reverse for this game for those wanting easier content. There isn't an easier difficulty to jump to in Duties. (Technically they can easily make one, just grant the option to put on the echo which gives you a boost to your stats, akin to very easy mode on story solo duties, problem solved) The gatekeeping to try and push people who enjoy easier content out of the game is the fullest definition of trolling.

Savage isn't an 'opt in for harder content' mode, it's the raid tier of an MMO which is not the same as pushing a button to make something easier or harder; it's a *whole* different mode. Some people just need to realize that they are playing the easy mode already. Also the game was already defined what it was from the start with fluctuating difficulty in different expacs etc. DT is just as comparable to other expacs besides EW (the unusually easy one) and is easier still than let's say, Heavensward.

There's nothing wrong with being bad at a game. There's an issue when people don't admit they're bad, somehow can't improve (which is ridiculous), and then want options to increasingly lower the floor until they're happy. Nobody is gatekeeping, you're gatekeeping yourself by not improving as a player.

All adding variable difficulty does on shared content is divide the community and it's divided enough as it is. SE needs to finally draw a line that's a minimum requirement to entry and if I'm going to be honest, it's not even that demanding relative to other video games in general, particularly of the same genre.

Like honestly what do these people want in a dungeon anyways? To never die? That's already the case 90 percent of the time and there's not a single thing anyone can say to convince me otherwise. I use duty finder quite alot and I can quite literally count on one hand the amount of times in a dungeon there was any wipes going on that actually mattered and as far as actually not clearing the content? Zero times. This isn't a single player game either, there was 3 other people involved at all times (more for the trials) that all managed to clear it also over the course of uncountable dungeon runs . It's anecdotal sure, but a strong indicator that the majority, and a large one at that, do not find the content overwhelming.

The reason it's hard to sympathize with people who find the content too hard is because being weak willed enough to not actually improve at something and *then* complain about it, is a particularly unattractive trait, especially when so many others are able to improve enough to play and enjoy the game. Society as a whole tends to not enjoy underachievers, especially when it's related to something that's not that hard to begin with, and then on top of that, these same people change the place that people have enjoyed since ARR; it was what lead to Endwalker, the worst expac in the entire game to the point where Yoshi P himself even admitted he'd fall asleep while playing it.

[Kira619]

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You are gatekeeping, because you are assuming everyone who are expressing requests for a very easy mode like they already have in the game in other areas such as solo duties somehow can magically better because they can gain the ability to, the time to, or both, which is the fullest definition of ablism, one of the most problematic components in gaming.

There is nothing wrong with a divided community, because that just mean you cater to a wider audience. The problem is that FFXIV saw a massive spike in player fanbase via shadowbringer and endwalker, which brought in a different demographic, and then decided to alienate that demographic with DT instead of having accessibility options for all player types.

And great, you never experienced a wipe at all, while another person place a post stated she was literally stuck on a single Dungeon for an hour. I personally can attest to being stuck on a Shinryu Trial for literally 45 minutes, and know I never want to see that trial again. So yes, your experience is very ancedeotal.

To be honest, I don't even need to go even further in that because if you can't understand the necessities of accessibility in gaming, than there's no further point in this discussion.

[Alice_Rivers]

Yours is a troll post. The elitist spent months, if not years on this forum talking about how this game needs to be more difficult. Did casual gamers tell you "please accept its the wrong game?" Nope, even with the fact that elitist had savage and other modes. They told you to jump to those modes. But you know what, at least you had an option. The problem is there is no reverse for this game for those wanting easier content. There isn't an easier difficulty to jump to in Duties. (Technically they can easily make one, just grant the option to put on the echo which gives you a boost to your stats, akin to very easy mode on story solo duties, problem solved) The gatekeeping to try and push people who enjoy easier content out of the game is the fullest definition of trolling.

You're right that the "elitists" have savage and ultimate and you know what they do? They play savage and ultimate, they get geared, and then sod off for a while until the next savage/ultimate comes along. That leaves the rest of us to do what we want, the apparent majority of us are happy with the current difficulty and/or want more. I want to see more variety of mechanics personally rather than just dodging things, maybe even doing things while dodging things - a shocking idea, I know.

I also agree with others here that if people really find EW content challenging

[Kira619]

You're right that the "elitists" have savage and ultimate and you know what they do? They play savage and ultimate, they get geared, and then sod off for a while until the next savage/ultimate comes along. That leaves the rest of us to do what we want, the apparent majority of us are happy with the current difficulty and/or want more. I want to see more variety of mechanics personally rather than just dodging things, maybe even doing things while dodging things - a shocking idea, I know.

I also agree with others here that if people really find EW content challenging

Oh and shocking idea, you all can have all that. That isn't the point of this thread. You are taking the complaints about people upset about the current difficulty and what the normal difficulty changed and applying that in this thread. If you all want to debate about whether the normal difficulty we currently have should stay the same, there's 4 other threads for that. This thread is meant to add an option similar to what savage, extreme, and ultimate people can do, but for the opposite end.

[Alice_Rivers]

I was half awake when I typed that up, hence I apparently posted it incomplete like an idiot, I think I will leave my contribution at that though.

[Kuroka]

The gatekeeping to try and push people who enjoy easier content out of the game is the fullest definition of trolling.

If youre level 100 and STIL bring meteors into stacks, or stack double stacks, or have NO situational awareness, then its the wrong game.

You cant even call me elitist as im not doing any savage and play like, slightly above average at best. If the bare minimum is too hard or having to actually practice an duty is asked too much, then please, go and play some Mario or any singleplayer game.


What do you want an EVEN easier mode? At level 100? Literally press 2 buttons every 60 sec and you win?

There's nothing wrong with being bad at a game. There's an issue when people don't admit they're bad, somehow can't improve (which is ridiculous), and then want options to increasingly lower the floor until they're happy. Nobody is gatekeeping, you're gatekeeping yourself by not improving as a player.

This and what else youve said... there needs to be a bar, there are min ilvls AND skills needed. Im the last one to say "youre bad please leave", i always enjoy the extra challenge as long as ppl REALLY wanna try and do their best...

[Kira619]

If youre level 100 and STIL bring meteors into stacks, or stack double stacks, or have NO situational awareness, then its the wrong game.

You cant even call me elitist as im not doing any savage and play like, slightly above average at best. If the bare minimum is too hard or having to actually practice an duty is asked too much, then please, go and play some Mario or any singleplayer game.


What do you want an EVEN easier mode? At level 100? Literally press 2 buttons every 60 sec and you win?


This and what else youve said... there needs to be a bar, there are min ilvls AND skills needed. Im the last one to say "youre bad please leave", i always enjoy the extra challenge as long as ppl REALLY wanna try and do their best...

If you're saying something is the wrong game because the game is too difficult for a particular user, that is an elitist, period. You can try to cover it up with languages on how you're not the top of the charts and use all the flower words you want to try and give the impression that you're not one, but it's essentially the classic internet equalivant of pretending to be one demographic to try and counteract a different demographics viewpoint when you clearly aren't part of that demographic. Let alone the rampant ablism seen in your post. In the end, you can call yourself an average, above average player all you like, but if you're attempting to gatekeep based on difficulty, you're an elitist.