Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[DracotheDragon]

They really need to do something about salted earth no ability should have the opportunity to be able to grant a full alliance wipe, it's been about 3 years if they are that worried on how it will affect CC then at least limit it to 5 players (and maybe remove the heal)

[AnnRam]

They really need to do something about salted earth no ability should have the opportunity to be able to grant a full alliance wipe, it's been about 3 years if they are that worried on how it will affect CC then at least limit it to 5 players (and maybe remove the heal)

Salted Earth isn't actually a problem the real one its that they can use their limitbreak and take 0 risk. IF DRKS could lose their invulnerability to die most of them would disappear before popping SE.

-DRK Jumps in to a group.
-Gets fully CC by a whole raid but still can cast LB
-Stays there for 10 seconds while SE already its on 20 sec CD
-Comes back again and repeat

Without Invulnerability :

-DRK Jumps in
-DRK dies instantly because CC (SE on CD now)
-DRK have to return to the fight from respawn (prob around 30 seconds to 1 min)

[Xylira]

Salted Earth isn't actually a problem the real one its that they can use their limitbreak and take 0 risk. IF DRKS could lose their invulnerability to die most of them would disappear before popping SE.

-DRK Jumps in to a group.
-Gets fully CC by a whole raid but still can cast LB
-Stays there for 10 seconds while SE already its on 20 sec CD
-Comes back again and repeat

Without Invulnerability :

-DRK Jumps in
-DRK dies instantly because CC (SE on CD now)
-DRK have to return to the fight from respawn (prob around 30 seconds to 1 min)

It's a combination of design and balance issues all compounding on each other. There are very obvious reasons why DRK, AST, and DRG tend to team stack together in premades.

Each individual job with its PvP toolkit is balanced relatively okay for 5v5 CC matches, but they're abysmally balanced for anything larger scale. Throwing Battle High on top of it all and we end up with nonsensical balance issues that end up in horrendously mismatched games that Front Lines have largely devolved into.

[AnnRam]

It's a combination of design and balance issues all compounding on each other. There are very obvious reasons why DRK, AST, and DRG tend to team stack together in premades.

Each individual job with its PvP toolkit is balanced relatively okay for 5v5 CC matches, but they're abysmally balanced for anything larger scale. Throwing Battle High on top of it all and we end up with nonsensical balance issues that end up in horrendously mismatched games that Front Lines have largely devolved into.

That's why you CC to dispatch the DRK before they stack SE, sadly that's almost never the case. Even a single MNK can ruin the whole "ast/drk" combo by pushing out the DRK before he jumps. Many countless times I've done it but since they can still use their LB even in the middle of the stun-lock animation of MNK LB its just sucks the DRK does the SE anyways because there is NO counter to invulnerability.

Remember old SMN? they had a skill that removed the invo buff but SE removed it.

[localareanetwork]

Salted Earth isn't actually a problem the real one its that they can use their limitbreak and take 0 risk. IF DRKS could lose their invulnerability to die most of them would disappear before popping SE.

-DRK Jumps in to a group.
-Gets fully CC by a whole raid but still can cast LB
-Stays there for 10 seconds while SE already its on 20 sec CD
-Comes back again and repeat

Without Invulnerability :

-DRK Jumps in
-DRK dies instantly because CC (SE on CD now)
-DRK have to return to the fight from respawn (prob around 30 seconds to 1 min)

Living dead is very thematic for dark knight. Sucking people isn't.

[saucyshortcake]

Living dead is very thematic for dark knight. Sucking people isn't.

Ohhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyy

[Astralrisk]

Salted Earth isn't actually a problem the real one its that they can use their limitbreak and take 0 risk. IF DRKS could lose their invulnerability to die most of them would disappear before popping SE.

Saying DRK can invuln being the main reason why its strong is a bit weird, since PLD can also invuln but is fine. i feel like having a mass pull in comboed with that becomes the issue of being able to get away free of risk and just have the most OP grouping tool in the game.