Questionable ethics - Living Memory

[Garruss]

We stopped a relentless AI that was going to kill everyone on every Shard and take their souls, what then? Would she go into space and do the same to other planets? Her plan wouldn't last forever and it was just holding back the end. We saved lives at the end of the day, the memories were just that memories. As was explained in lore time and time again the Soul has to return to the Atherial Sea and be allowed to be reborn, the Endless can never return to the sea and their souls sadly were lost to that sea

[Gaddes]

Holy shit, so many people are derailing this topic into a debate as to whether the Endless are actually alive or not and entirely missing the point of other people need to die for them to live. And it's also an unsustainable process that has been snowballing out of control for a while at this point.

Yeah, I just read through this entire thing and the original statement that is posed is "Our actions in Living Memory seem morally wrong."

But knowing what we know about how the Endless (whether they are truly "alive" or not) are not a sustainable people the way that all other discussed beings are, there shouldn't really be a moral dilemma with ending something that will most certainly bring about the entire universe's eventual death, thanks to their infinite need for more souls. At the very least, it was justified self-defense, because the Source was the direct next target for soul accrual.

[Bright-Flower]

We stopped a relentless AI that was going to kill everyone on every Shard and take their souls, what then? Would she go into space and do the same to other planets? Her plan wouldn't last forever and it was just holding back the end. We saved lives at the end of the day, the memories were just that memories. As was explained in lore time and time again the Soul has to return to the Atherial Sea and be allowed to be reborn, the Endless can never return to the sea and their souls sadly were lost to that sea

Or worse, their souls weren't allowed back to the sea but were spent as batteries.

[Turtledeluxe]

Wuk Lamat: Even if we cannot be friends right now, we need to find a different path forward. A way that Tuliyollal and Alexandria can coexist.

Sphene: I fear that can never be. There is no other path for us. It's too late.

Alisae: Hear me, Sphene . We appreciate your commitment to serving the Alexandrians and have endeavored to understand your beliefs. Be that as it may, you must know it is wrong to sacrifice our living to save your dead.

Sphene: For them I will do anything. No price is too high. if bloodshed will save my subjects, I will become history's most brutal Queen.

Reading is important.

[CamuiKushi]

I think my issue with the whole situation is that it feels contrived. I'm unable to suspend my disbelief that Sphene wouldn't be open to finding another solution.

[Ayche]

I think my issue with the whole situation is that it feels contrived. I'm unable to suspend my disbelief that Sphene wouldn't be open to finding another solution.

I repaired by suspension by accepting that Sphene was in the end just a friendly interface put on a rigid machine. Even if the other Endless had a limited sense of free will, she had none. Just a friendly face hooked on a AI system built to do one thing only.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

I repaired by suspension by accepting that Sphene was in the end just a friendly interface put on a rigid machine. Even if the other Endless had a limited sense of free will, she had none. Just a friendly face hooked on a AI system built to do one thing only.

Except that she didn't only do one thing. She visited her people. Cared about their lives. She implored Zoraal Ja to make peace with his sister which goes directly against her needs. If the Turali make peace with Alexandria then they'd have to find other people to kill for lifeforce. She's only doing that because she LIKES Wuk Lamat, she can impede her own plans because she likes someone. Even after she deleted her own memories Wuk Lamat managed to reach her causing her to partially restore herself.

By the time Sphene has decided to turn to the Dark Side, Zoraal Ja has just used up the soul banks and killed a bunch of her people meaning the system is becoming bogged down by memories of the newly dead with no lifeforce in reserve. That's why she's so desperate. What program have you ever see get desperate? Sphene was never just a program.

[Wildheaven182]

You're all already thinking about this way more than squex did.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

You're all already thinking about this way more than squex did.

And that grieves me greatly. How can people create a sixty hour or more experience without caring if it makes any sense or not?

[MagnificentOxen]

They werent alive and even if you believe they were, deleting them was more human then having an all out war where we make them all suffer before deleting them.