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    Quote Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind View Post
    Well, that’s the problem with cherry picking arguments like that, it goes both ways.
    They can’t give birth? Well, can Omicrons? Is procreation now a definition of life, not soul then?
    They can’t leave the Living Memory area? Scions were dying in the First. People on life support can’t be without it. We can’t survive in space as is, and so on.
    And you seem to be cherry picking my posts.

    Like I said, it's all about the context. It's not just one or two things, otherwise we'll be in a "featherless biped" situation and things like ghosts, skeletons, mammets, carbuncles, and magitek reapers could count as life too.

    Other than turning their terminals off, the Endless cannot be slain like every other anything that exists in this world. They cannot exist beyond the reach of their terminals and are anchored to them like a cyberpunk phylactery. They are dead people being made manifest by an overly complicated necromantic ritual that is more science than magic. They are literal ghosts in a machine and they required more souls from other people to be formed so we had to shut the whole thing down. Personally I think the idea of artificially keeping my dead ancestors in a static environment rotating in and out of a computer for eternity downright gross and needing to kill innocent people to keep it going makes it worse.

    I'm not happy about the Ultima Thule situation either but at least they have or seem to have all the aetherial components we understand are required to compose an independent, living being on their own without assistance. We've also seen the Omicron factory and they can replenish their numbers that way and some Omicron may indeed receive souls. Endless can't work like that. You can't produce an Endless from nothing because it requires the memories of the deceased. If you have no qualms in putting down ashkin, then I don't know why you draw the line at ending the Endless.

    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    Taking life from others is an obvious moral problem, but why does it matter if they need external devices to survive? That can be looked at as something like a very advanced version of a pacemaker. That the people they were based on died also doesn't reflect on their current living status either. It just makes them unique from the originals.
    Like I said above and in the post that you quoted from me, it's all the things put together, not just one thing.
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    Last edited by MikkoAkure; 07-23-2024 at 07:51 AM.