Difficulty of normal content.

[caffe_macchiato]

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You and your ilk have spent over 100 pages and 1,000 posts obsessing over OP for posting an opinion. Not only that, but you lash out with ad hominems against anyone who defends OP. This doesn’t look good for Final Fantasy XIV. At this point, I don’t think the community can be saved. Let’s hope World of Warcraft’s new expansion is good and Blizzard can nurture a better community than this one. It’s sad that a multibillion-dollar corporation gets people to attack each other because it can’t fix the net code or the hitboxes in M2.

[Saraide]

You and your ilk have spent over 100 pages and 1,000 posts obsessing over OP for posting an opinion. Not only that, but you lash out with ad hominems against anyone who defends OP. This doesn’t look good for Final Fantasy XIV. At this point, I don’t think the community can be saved. Let’s hope World of Warcraft’s new expansion is good and Blizzard can nurture a better community than this one. It’s sad that a multibillion-dollar corporation gets people to attack each other because it can’t fix the net code or the hitboxes in M2.

Werent you a parody account trying to make fun of people defending the game?

[jdtuggey]

You and your ilk have spent over 100 pages and 1,000 posts obsessing over OP for posting an opinion. Not only that, but you lash out with ad hominems against anyone who defends OP. This doesn’t look good for Final Fantasy XIV. At this point, I don’t think the community can be saved. Let’s hope World of Warcraft’s new expansion is good and Blizzard can nurture a better community than this one. It’s sad that a multibillion-dollar corporation gets people to attack each other because it can’t fix the net code or the hitboxes in M2.

The community is fine, I love it, I love that we're all able to come together and say loudly that we are happy with the direction they've taken with dawntrail content and we don't want to see this reversed. What an amazing community.
You've spent the better part of this thread obsessing over the image you made in your mind about us. Why the different standards for us ?

Werent you a parody account trying to make fun of people defending the game?

Are they really ? That would explain a lot. :P

[Larkeicus767]

You and your ilk have spent over 100 pages and 1,000 posts obsessing over OP for posting an opinion. Not only that, but you lash out with ad hominems against anyone who defends OP. This doesn’t look good for Final Fantasy XIV. At this point, I don’t think the community can be saved. Let’s hope World of Warcraft’s new expansion is good and Blizzard can nurture a better community than this one. It’s sad that a multibillion-dollar corporation gets people to attack each other because it can’t fix the net code or the hitboxes in M2.

No, you know what's actually sad? That we can have Karens in the community, people that legitimately think that they know what the devs intended better than the devs themselves and people who can be so full of themselves that they somehow don't see their own hypocrisy in their words and the way that they are toxic to everyone who doesn't think like them by calling them "your ilk".

I don't think your kind can be saved either, unable to grow and unable to actually learn from their mistakes, instead you people like to double down and be the first to throw ad hominems at people and then cry when said people respond in kind but the one thing that makes me happy is seeing the community at large shun you and your people, united together to tell you how wrong you are. We don't need saving, we need less Karens in the gaming world.

[Banggugyangu]

You and your ilk have spent over 100 pages and 1,000 posts obsessing over OP for posting an opinion. Not only that, but you lash out with ad hominems against anyone who defends OP. This doesn’t look good for Final Fantasy XIV. At this point, I don’t think the community can be saved. Let’s hope World of Warcraft’s new expansion is good and Blizzard can nurture a better community than this one. It’s sad that a multibillion-dollar corporation gets people to attack each other because it can’t fix the net code or the hitboxes in M2.

Have you read the same thread as I have? The majority of responders in this thread sympathize with the OP despite not agreeing with his/her points. In my own posts, I don't agree with the OP, but I offered sympathetic advice on steps to take. With this response, I'm confident that you're attempting to troll the thread and nothing more, and to that, I would say move on. If you think it's "funny", it's not. There are trolls who are actually witty and funny, but none of what I've seen from you in this thread has been such. This thread is comprised of the following: ~5% people who are what some would call "elitist" attacking the OP and kin for their lack of skill, ~85% players fully capable of completing the content in a reasonable amount of time that are quite happy with the slight upscale in difficulty that this expansion brought, ~5% in the same boat as the OP, and ~5% like you, apparently trying to get internet clout by trolling and/or derailing the thread.

That large majority of us who are happy with the difficulty are so present and vocal in this thread because we DO NOT WANT IT TO REVERT. We like this shift up in difficulty. We think that after 100 levels of game, it's a welcome adjustment that has scaled with how our skill level should have grown over that time. We also feel that this difficulty IS NOT HARD... just more difficult than previous. Again, I'll point out that Seat of Sacrifice Normal is harder than practically every fight in this expansion. Seat of Sacrifice normal is in league with Zodiark Extreme. None of the Normal Difficulty fights in Dawntrail, so far, have even come remotely close to ANY extreme fight's difficulty. Yet despite this, several are claiming that Shadowbringers was so much easier. Yeah.... Innocence was easy.... the rest were pretty much on par with all of this. Also... with the "non-standard markers" point, it seems we all forgot about E4? Titan consisted of almost all non-standard markers despite standard mechanics. All of this was present in previous expansions.

[VioletCatastrophe]

With this response, I'm confident that you're attempting to troll the thread and nothing more, and to that, I would say move on.

This is a person who made an entire thread to criticize the netcode of the game. My wife did ultimate prog with me while having transatlantic ping, and the netcode was just fine to consistently prog the hardest fight in the game (at the time: TEA, on release) without lag or the ability to weave ever being an issue. Not a single plugin or other tool of dubious ToS-compliance required. They are a person who has been consistently blaming the game for being imbalanced, the game for having bad netcode, other players for being apparently toxic despite most posts being very diplomatic in their disagreement and offering actionable advice to those who are struggling.

If they aren't a troll, then they are simply just a person who cannot take responsibility for their own shortcomings and subsequently insist that the problem lies with every other person. It's pretty sad, really. In personal affairs, and in game, I have been doing my best to be the best I can be. So I can't help but be at least a little put off, if not outright offended by their attitude. I think it's best in general to just ignore them and move on, which sure kind of ironic in this post but I'm going to do the same too.

In any case, the content is great I'm glad only a very small minority are actually taking issue with it.

[Volfe]

You and your ilk have spent over 100 pages and 1,000 posts obsessing over OP for posting an opinion. Not only that, but you lash out with ad hominems against anyone who defends OP. This doesn’t look good for Final Fantasy XIV. At this point, I don’t think the community can be saved. Let’s hope World of Warcraft’s new expansion is good and Blizzard can nurture a better community than this one. It’s sad that a multibillion-dollar corporation gets people to attack each other because it can’t fix the net code or the hitboxes in M2.

You're single-handledly keeping this thread going with arguments in bad faith

[Oku-1]

You and your ilk have spent over 100 pages and 1,000 posts obsessing over OP for posting an opinion. Not only that, but you lash out with ad hominems against anyone who defends OP. This doesn’t look good for Final Fantasy XIV. At this point, I don’t think the community can be saved. Let’s hope World of Warcraft’s new expansion is good and Blizzard can nurture a better community than this one. It’s sad that a multibillion-dollar corporation gets people to attack each other because it can’t fix the net code or the hitboxes in M2.

There you go just doing the tweet again:


I have done nothing in this thread besides politely disagree with the OP and express sympathy for people struggling with more difficult content and encourage them to not give up. The harshest I was with the OP was when they said they'd rather mechanics that expect you to know your left from your right not be in the game, and the only person I've actually been snarky with is you after you've done nothing that I can see here besides scream at people and call everybody a toxic hivemind while trying to pretend to be a moderator.

[Carin-Eri]

There you go just doing the tweet again:


I have done nothing in this thread besides politely disagree with the OP and express sympathy for people struggling with more difficult content and encourage them to not give up. The harshest I was with the OP was when they said they'd rather mechanics that expect you to know your left from your right not be in the game, and the only person I've actually been snarky with is you after you've done nothing that I can see here besides scream at people and call everybody a toxic hivemind while trying to pretend to be a moderator.

Although it has been said before, one thing that often surprises me is the disconnect between the Community on the forums/social media and the in-game community.

[jdtuggey]

Although it has been said before, one thing that often surprises me is the disconnect between the Community on the forums/social media and the in-game community.

I mean, I don't see people demanding square enix make my own experience worst for their own sakes in game, so naturally, I'm not inclined to defend my interests concerning that topic in game.
However, I've been stalked and unfairly demonized by a person who told lies about me to my people in limsa and in my fc because she got too close to me and I put a stop to it. She did not handle rejection well. :P
At first, everyone turned on me, it worked so well, it genuinely like, affected my RL, I couldn't sleep anymore, I was constantly anxious about what was going on in game. I was working on an FC with a friend, we had something like 25 members, when this broke out in the FC, half of our members left overnight. I had to leave myself to stop the bleeding. I was getting disparaging IM's from people I didn't even know that I've never met that aren't even near me. Even friends that supported me at first stopped associating with me because they didn't want to make themselves a target.
And like, I'd say it's the effect she was looking for, so much that she got empowered to take it further and further, and at some point she crossed lines both for people and for staff.
She got reprimanded, and people started looking at her sideways, so she changed servers. Whole ordeal lasted about two months. I don't even see this kind of commitment to drama in things like VRChat and Second Life lol.
Since then, I haven't really participated socially beyond helping sprouts and chipping in on some off topic discussions in NN.

Rules are applied more severely in game, so people are a lot more subtle with their drama.
People gossip in IM's and in their CWLS', changing or omitting just liiittle details in events surrounding them to change the narrative in their favor, that sort of stuff. Very mean girls energy. :P
I prefer the forums if we're talking about "community", it's more honest and upfront, but whether it's in game or in the forums, community is not as good as we pretend.
The kind of drama I see on ffxiv, I don't really see elsewhere on the internet, and I think it's cultivated in part by SE being so strict on language and conflict, that it makes it hard to express our grievances in game.
I do want to say however that as humans, we're biased to assign more importance to the negative things we experience. (acknowledging this and factoring this bias in my life everyday made my life soooo much better, btw, highly recommend)
I meet great people that aren't as dramatic in game every day, and whole immense lot more than bad people.
When it does get dramatic though, it goes hard rofl. How that tweet describes ffxiv drama is very on-point, I feel, and not just accurate about social media/forums. It's exactly the experience I recounted up there.