You pull you tank question.

[Thurmnmurmn]

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1) The difference is that the act of pulling more is not against the TOS. The act of pulling more AFTER someone expresses they don't want big pulls is.

2) That's fair. My example here falls more in MPK then.
But the main point there was more at the end about how there still needs to be some communication before you can accuse an extra pull to fall under this. It's not just "you pull extra, it's reportable".

3) By this logic, any wipe could be reportable.

4) As I've pointed out in a previous post. The literal definition of a tank by SE is "Tank
High in HP and trained in defense, a tank serves as the party's shield. Skilled at keeping a foe's attention and bearing the brunt of enemy attacks."
Them keeping aggro is literally the job they are there for. What else would you consider as the bare minimum?

Overall communication is what determines most of these. All except the act of YPYT which is an outright refusal to play their role.

[VoidsentStatus]

Overall communication is what determines most of these. All except the act of YPYT which is an outright refusal to play their role.

1) If they didn't want big pulls, they'd make it known and have done that. Even just writing YPYT is an implied "I don't want big pulls, if you pull something that I don't, I'm not taking aggro." And letting you suicide isn't against TOS either. And if they did want big pulls, there's noone to report you to Square. Still a redundant statement.

2) The original argument post was someone stating that YPYT is against ToS, not that pulling extra is reportable.

3) Depending on how the wipe is caused yes. Same goes for raiding. You accidently hit rescue too many times and cause a wipe, reported. You repeatedly put high damage, wiping worthy mechanics on group members and you have chat disabled so you can focus, reported. A tank pulls every add in the first room of Aurum Vale knowing full well that no pug group can handle that amount of damage in and it causes the party to wipe repeatedly, especially after at least 1 person would realistically ask them to stop pulling all that aggro, reported.

4) Living is a higher priority than keeping aggro. That is the bare minimum function needed in order to even do that job. If taking extra aggro means death, you don't do it. Same as IRL group combat tactics, if you are the frontline/defense, you do not go into compromising positions that don't let you fulfill your duty. If someone does something stupid/risky and acts on their own without running it by you or other members in the party, you do not compromise all of your current asset maintenance to try to compensate for that lone wolf action and potentially not do your job at all. You do what you are comfortable with, at your pace, and the group, realizing that are you important to their functionality, goes at your pace. Any decoy's, distractions, disabling technology used in operations follow the same protocol. You do not rush ahead of people in charge of providing a distraction in an operation, you do not rush ahead of people in charge of disabling defense systems, you do not rush ahead of decoys. You are not the group role that dictates the pace, you are not the next step in the tactic that has been planned. You're the one deviating from the standard. The tank is staying with the original plan and letting you suicide and running it by command that you broke order and got killed.

[noelregnard]

Living is a higher priority than keeping aggro. That is the bare minimum function needed in order to even do that job. If taking extra aggro means death, you don't do it. Same as IRL group combat tactics, if you are the frontline/defense, you do not go into compromising positions that don't let you fulfill your duty. If someone does something stupid/risky and acts on their own without running it by you or other members in the party, you do not compromise all of your current asset maintenance to try to compensate for that lone wolf action and potentially not do your job at all. You do what you are comfortable with, at your pace, and the group, realizing that are you important to their functionality, goes at your pace. Any decoy's, distractions, disabling technology used in operations follow the same protocol. You do not rush ahead of people in charge of providing a distraction in an operation, you do not rush ahead of people in charge of disabling defense systems, you do not rush ahead of decoys. You are not the group role that dictates the pace, you are not thee next step in the tactic that has been planned. You're the one deviating from the standard. The tank is staying with the original plan and letting you suicide and running it by command that you broke order and got killed.

This is peak main character syndrome lmao, bro thinks he's in charge. This is some mall ninja, meal team six nonsense

[VoidsentStatus]

This is peak main character syndrome lmao, bro thinks he's in charge. This is some mall ninja, meal team six nonsense

Main character syndome that the entire group acknowledges before the add grouping process starts and at the boss. They just magically turn that awareness off if they get impatient and they find a small window to make the tank do something they don't want to. You'll never see a healer or dps starting a raid boss and noone complains in chat when they start getting smacked and 2-3shotted and tankbusters go out for 1shots because you didn't let the tank start. When you have a situation that'll smack you and remind you of your role, then you get humble and stay behind the tank like you were supposed to be. You don't run savage or ultimate content and say "well i wanted to clear faster so I pulled" as a DPS. You only pull that stupid argument in a dungeon. You know your place, you just don't like being reminded of it.

[noelregnard]

This is embarrassing you should stop. You went on and on endlessly about how a tank needs to adapt to every contingency, every possible situation. And then in the same breath "You must follow my original plan, MINE, or I'll let you die". The hypocrisy and the lack of self awareness is so palpable you can almost taste it.

When you have a situation that'll smack you and remind you of your role, then you get humble and stay behind the tank like you were supposed to be. You don't run savage or ultimate content and say "well i wanted to clear faster so I pulled" as a DPS. You only pull that stupid argument in a dungeon. You know your place, you just don't like being reminded of it.

More main character nonsense, do you not feel embarrassed typing these out? Are you twelve?