Lyse vs. Wuk Lamat

[Themarvin]

Wuk is good, she seriously grow with the tasks ahead, Lyse seem more monotome.

But not so much ruining the game as people think, people just got issues with themself and wanting the game to be all about them, but hey, neither of you are developers on this project, it is not your game and that it is not like what you want it to be is much more a blessing than the world is going under during a cataclysm or something down those lines.

Play the game, most of you circus clowns spend more time on the fora, than at the game at all, or story skipped it all and now complain.

[Nadda]

Caspian was not unlikeable, and the expectations were different. Caspian was educated by the secretly Narnian tutor so he wasn't an utter incompetent, and was destined to be king over all of the little critters, and he doesn't have to compete with any other humans (the Pevensies were just visiting and were already over their rulership and aren't going to rebel against Aslan and rob Caspian) Wuk Lamat is unlikeable, incompetent, and fails to justify why she should be leader over anyone else, let alone her two more capable brothers.

Your personal preferences aside.
Wuk Lamat was likable.

Ask for competency or lack thereof in what regard?

Her brothers would have made terrible individual leaders. I'm not certain if you were paying attention but Zarool Ja wanted to turn Turral into a conquering Warmachine. In Koanas aspirations for technological innovations of other cultures, he disregards the people he would rule all with myriad of strong cultural traditions.

One such culture Bakool Jaja was conspiring for a Mamool Ja Ethno state for instance or the despot factions of Yok Huy. How can you hope to hold together such factions in which to share innovations if you don't understand them? Civil War.

Wuk Lamat isn't as strong as Zarool Ja. She isn't as intelligent as Koana.

She throws her hat into the ring as Dawnservant for the peace the Legacy Gulool Jaja represents.
She has the emotional intuition to understand things could go very wrong.
She knows her own weaknesses quite well, which is why she elects for a Diarchy with her brother Koana.

Leaders are leaders not for being the most capable in the room. Leaders are in their position because of their intuition, strength, and charisma. Qualities that Wuk Lamat had all along but didn't realize it.

[Voidmage]

Wuk is good, she seriously grow with the tasks ahead, Lyse seem more monotome.

But not so much ruining the game as people think, people just got issues with themself and wanting the game to be all about them, but hey, neither of you are developers on this project, it is not your game and that it is not like what you want it to be is much more a blessing than the world is going under during a cataclysm or something down those lines.

Play the game, most of you circus clowns spend more time on the fora, than at the game at all, or story skipped it all and now complain.

How to make the own post worthless.
Insult those who criticize, say the game is not for them, imply they skipped cutscenes.
If that is your defense of the story that’s kinda cute.

Let me tell you something groundbreaking.
You don‘t need to produce a product to criticize it. Otherwise every quality department would be unneeded and yes there exists quality control for writing.

Feedback is important even if negative. That’s how we got a normal looking sonic for the movies after all.

Worst of all is that you make all those look back who have real arguments for liking the story.

[Nadda]

How to make the own post worthless.
Insult those who criticize, say the game is not for them, imply they skipped cutscenes.
If that is your defense of the story that’s kinda cute.

Let me tell you something groundbreaking.
You don‘t need to produce a product to criticize it. Otherwise every quality department would be unneeded and yes there exists quality control for writing.

Feedback is important even if negative. That’s how we got a normal looking sonic for the movies after all.

Worst of all is that you make all those look back who have real arguments for liking the story.

No but when the general consensus is so obtuse, mean spirited and vitriolic you get what you have coming to you.

We got people here talking about what is and isn't good writing.

And supplementing it with subjective HEAVILY subjective opinion. In the nastiest way possible.

Like even I recognize flaws with the story but you can do it in an honest way where you take the bad as bad not dump what feels like boxed-up emotional trauma on a fictional Cat Girl who played the role given to her in the story quite well.

Of course, someone else who isn't as mean-spirited will come along and say something a bit unfair.

The discussion surrounding Wuk Lamat is itself unfair. It's just a reflection of the general attitude of people here nothing more.

Talking with such venom and spiteful wrath it's disgusting. It captured me briefly as well in this thread. You should all take care of your words.

This Themarvin may lack the ability to express what she truly thinks but if level heads prevailed you'd have found a more level-headed reaction.

A modicum of introspection and levelheadedness would go a long way. Far too much emotional charges going off for civil conversation. The more critical the less rational.

[Ramiee]

Man people bringing up Narnia and Lord of the Rings makes me wanna go reread them as a pallet cleanser after Dawntrail. Such good stories.

[Vahlnir]

I never, ever thought I'd say this but...

I miss Lyse.

[Coratanni]

IDC what anybody says, I'm a big fan of both Lyse and Wuk. Most people probably don't even genuinely dislike them, more likely that they just say what other people say and chime in on dissing the characters since other people are doing it, or they simply dislike them because some of the quests that character is associated with are annoying/dragged out etc. It's why I will always have a bit of hatred for alphinaud, because many years ago when I was unwise and inexperienced, I had to walk across like 4 zones to meet with alphinaud when i had 0 gil and no mount. When i finally made it to him, he stood in a room full of people staring at the floor, made me talk to everyone for him, then report back to him while he sat there picking his nose. Kill that little brat off for good and never mention him again.

People complained about minifilia being the secretary of light who never actually did anything besides telling us what to do.
They gave us Lyse, after they changed her appearance (went from face 5 midlander with a mask to unique face midlander when she revealed her identity), who is everything that people said they wanted from minfilia, then they just decided to hate on her after getting everything they wanted. Maybe the players are just misogynists.

So far Dawntrail story is already better than SHB by several units of measurement so large that they are beyond comprehension, and SHB is said to be "the best expansion". All of the dungeons I've done have been an improvement from previous ones. The game looks and sounds better. We got a nice chill questline from 90-95 with lots of exploring and learning about the cultures across the new regions. Lots of pretty sights to see too. I see a lot of people complaining out here but I don't actually see much worth complaining about.

I have to wonder what kind of medication you're on. Dawntrail's story is better than SHB's? HOW?!?! The characters are flat, the world revolves completely around Wuk, the villains are easily forgettable, the voice acting and dialogue is flat... Whatever drugs you're taking, I don't want to be within a country of them.

[Doriann]

Lyse is not even close to wuklamat in terms of being annoying, no character has overstayed their welcome more than wuk

[Voidmage]

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They called people criticizing circus clowns and having issues with themselves.
They said people skipped cutscenes if they hate the story.
Do you really want to defend that?
I said time and time again that I don‘t have a problem with others liking the story but if you go down to personal attacks no matter the side then you lose the argument and there is no defending.

Explain please how I have coming for me what exactly?
Did I personally attack anyone of you? Did I forbid you from posting your opinion?
Did I ever call someone liking the story out in any form?

Such behavior is not acceptable!

[Nadda]

They called people criticizing circus clowns and having issues with themselves.
They said people skipped cutscenes if they hate the story.
Do you really want to defend that?
I said time and time again that I don‘t have a problem with others liking the story but if you go down to personal attacks no matter the side then you lose the argument and there is no defending.

Explain please how I have coming for me what exactly?
Did I personally attack anyone of you? Did I forbid you from posting your opinion?
Did I ever call someone liking the story out in any form?

Such behavior is not acceptable!

I understand your frustration, and I agree that personal attacks are not acceptable. It's important to maintain a respectful tone in our discussions.

The comment you mentioned was indeed inappropriate, and defending it isn't my intention. I was trying to point out that sometimes people react harshly when they feel attacked or when the overall tone of the conversation is very negative. It's a reminder for all of us to be mindful of our words and strive for empathy, even when we disagree strongly.

You haven't personally attacked anyone, and I appreciate that. However, I do feel by singling that person out you were being dismissive of their feelings and humiliating them. My main point was about fostering a more civil environment for everyone involved. We can all benefit from taking a step back and considering how our words affect others. If being respectful is your true purpose surely you understand this.

Let's focus on discussing the content of the story and sharing our perspectives without resorting to personal attacks. By doing so, we can have a more productive and respectful conversation.

Lastly, be relieved I don't consider you my personal editor and will continue to speak freely.

Ask for continuing this quarrel I have no intention of doing so.