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    MoofiaBossVal's Avatar
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    Kokoro Liliro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadda View Post
    You guys do realize
    So like again I don't really know how it be better to sideline the main character of the story. It's like being annoyed with Prince Caspian in the Narnia classic. "Prince Caspian" because he's taking the spotlight away from the Pevensie siblings
    Caspian was not unlikeable, and the expectations were different. Caspian was educated by the secretly Narnian tutor so he wasn't an utter incompetent, and was destined to be king over all of the little critters, and he doesn't have to compete with any other humans (the Pevensies were just visiting and were already over their rulership and aren't going to rebel against Aslan and rob Caspian) Wuk Lamat is unlikeable, incompetent, and fails to justify why she should be leader over anyone else, let alone her two more capable brothers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal View Post
    Caspian was not unlikeable, and the expectations were different. Caspian was educated by the secretly Narnian tutor so he wasn't an utter incompetent, and was destined to be king over all of the little critters, and he doesn't have to compete with any other humans (the Pevensies were just visiting and were already over their rulership and aren't going to rebel against Aslan and rob Caspian) Wuk Lamat is unlikeable, incompetent, and fails to justify why she should be leader over anyone else, let alone her two more capable brothers.
    Narnia also purposely didn't follow the same main characters for 6 books straight. You didn't have to read most of the others to enjoy Horse and His Boy since that one was pretty standalone outside briefly seeing the 4 while they were the kings and queens of Narnia. What Dawntrail did was more like reading Lord of the Rings and swapping the main character to a random hobbit once you get to the Scouring of the Shire while Frodo, Sam, Pippin, and Merry do bugger all.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
    Healers have been neglected for 3 expansions now and this needs to be rectified with the following:
    1. An engaging DPS kit beyond a nuke and DoT.
    2. Increased incoming damage so we have more to heal.
    3. Distinctive playstyles amongst the healers.
    4. Some nerfs to non-healer heals, we shouldn't be replaceable.

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    Nadda's Avatar
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    Nadda Daweel
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal View Post
    Caspian was not unlikeable, and the expectations were different. Caspian was educated by the secretly Narnian tutor so he wasn't an utter incompetent, and was destined to be king over all of the little critters, and he doesn't have to compete with any other humans (the Pevensies were just visiting and were already over their rulership and aren't going to rebel against Aslan and rob Caspian) Wuk Lamat is unlikeable, incompetent, and fails to justify why she should be leader over anyone else, let alone her two more capable brothers.
    Your personal preferences aside.
    Wuk Lamat was likable.

    Ask for competency or lack thereof in what regard?

    Her brothers would have made terrible individual leaders. I'm not certain if you were paying attention but Zarool Ja wanted to turn Turral into a conquering Warmachine. In Koanas aspirations for technological innovations of other cultures, he disregards the people he would rule all with myriad of strong cultural traditions.

    One such culture Bakool Jaja was conspiring for a Mamool Ja Ethno state for instance or the despot factions of Yok Huy. How can you hope to hold together such factions in which to share innovations if you don't understand them? Civil War.

    Wuk Lamat isn't as strong as Zarool Ja. She isn't as intelligent as Koana.

    She throws her hat into the ring as Dawnservant for the peace the Legacy Gulool Jaja represents.
    She has the emotional intuition to understand things could go very wrong.
    She knows her own weaknesses quite well, which is why she elects for a Diarchy with her brother Koana.

    Leaders are leaders not for being the most capable in the room. Leaders are in their position because of their intuition, strength, and charisma. Qualities that Wuk Lamat had all along but didn't realize it.
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    Isala Zuntrios
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadda View Post
    Her brothers would have made terrible individual leaders. I'm not certain if you were paying attention but Zarool Ja wanted to turn Turral into a conquering Warmachine. In Koanas aspirations for technological innovations of other cultures, he disregards the people he would rule all with myriad of strong cultural traditions.
    This tells me everything about why you like Wuk, because YOU were not paying attention.

    Koana got the character growth he needed to be a good leader. You know, the whole point of the rite his father set, to help his children grow? He learned that culture was important, and destroying that with technology over everything else would have ruined what made his people who they are.

    As for the "qualities" Wuk has? She has none, until she needs them for the story. And then she pulls them out of her ass. She can't even remain a consistent character throughout the story. She spends the entire time wanting to learn about other people, and other cultures, no matter how annoying it is to do that, like the whole cooking rite. And yet, suddenly, when Krile wants to learn about her people, who ARE ALSO NOW WUK'S PEOPLE... Wuk spends the entire time complaining about, in her own words, how much of a "pain in the ass" this is. Wuk has no redeeming traits. At all. Everything Wuk gets, everything Wuk does, is just handed to her. She doesn't earn anything, she doesn't grow, she just keeps falling up and up and up. Wuk loses to her brother in combat? Without any training, or any growth, suddenly, she can defeat him. Wuk gets trapped alongside everyone else on the final trial? Oh, suddenly, here she comes to save us... Except we didn't need saving. Wuk just had to remind us who the MC was this expansion.

    I have seen some absolute trash tier characters in stories. I have read some absolute dog water stories. Wuk causes the Dawntrail MSQ to be both. She single-handedly ruined the MSQ. You want proof of this? Go do any of the sidequests. They are better written, with more engaging characters, aren't plagued with the writer's self insert, and are actually enjoyable experiences, as you see people you've helped along the way in further and further zones.

    I do not know what this obsession is with "You dislike Wuk because you're haters", but all of you can stuff it.
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