Lyse vs. Wuk Lamat

[Gortys]

This is pretty much what I am saying. The comparison strikes me as weird. Lyse doesn't have nearly the same ratio of story as Wuk, and the narratives/gameplay are so differently executed and paced. Wuk is also just a casualty of the xpac itself. Lyse is in a (marginally) better written xpac overall where other characters simply outshine her.

I honestly felt like they did Lyse dirty. Was she goofy? Yes. But I never thought of her as being dumb and that's how she comes across in StB.

This is a bit off topic but I find it funny how in some MMOs people will be upset that their character is perceived as "The Champion" or "Chosen one" wanting only to be an adventurer and then in this case if you're adventurer helping someone through their own story they feel like they've been sidelined... Like as Warriors of Light we're the strongest people in the whole world now. People know what we're about, it wouldn't be interesting if we were always at the center of things. I like that things don't have to revolve around me in spite of how powerful I am.

I don't think our character has always been the "center" or a chosen one or the strongest. I'm pretty sure we are trounced by Zenos in StB. In StB the story was very similar to this one in that we were mainly there learning about 2 different leaders and their efforts to unite their people. In HW I don't view the WoL as the "main character". I felt Aymeric was more the focus of the expansion, but again we didn't spend every moment with him. Many people may confuse us as being the main character just because we help these people, but we are primarily an observer who helps occasionally. In both of these expansions we don't get into how their govts will run after all - it's still up to their leaders who we watched. I think ShB is where the story started making WoL as more of the main character as we learn about the ancients, the convocation, and Azem.

As for people not wanting to be called "The Champion" I feel like you are talking about criticism from WoW players? That's more based on how raiding works, how gearing works, how they tell us the choices would matter when they didn't, etc. I don't feel that's related to FFXIV. Many of the people who play FFXIV and said they didn't want to be the main character may have meant just a return to a good story we are just a part of (not focus of) like HW and (for some) StB.