"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Canadane]

YPYT is toxic. So is a DPS running ahead to pull mobs without asking the tank if it's okay first.

If the DPS and healer can tank the mobs, you don't need the tanks consent to pull.

[Magikazam]

Actually not letting DPS pull is making the run worse for everyone else

It's optimal to let DPS pull, they're faster and they have an extra HP bar and Arm's Length.

We love rage baiting people in this thread.

[Endy_Sinkai]

100% disagree.

If the healer or dps don't have enough respect to wait for me as the literal tank of the group then give me a reason I have to show them any courtesy by helping them.

They volunteered themselves for for a role they are not.

They disrespected not only their party by pulling ahead they are expecting you to help them for their selfish decision. Why would I reward that type of behavior by helping?

If you wanted to pull the dungeon or dictate the speed at which you go then you should have played the job that allowes that the tank.

Its completely u fair to place that type of expectations on another without warning and then just expect them to bail you out. Only a child thinks like this.

[Endy_Sinkai]

100% disagree.

If the healer or dps don't have enough respect to wait for me as the literal tank of the group then give me a reason I have to show them any courtesy by helping them.

They volunteered themselves for for a role they are not.

They disrespected not only their party by pulling ahead they are expecting you to help them for their selfish decision. Why would I reward that type of behavior by helping?

If you wanted to pull the dungeon or dictate the speed at which you go then you should have played the job that allowes that the tank.

Its completely unfair to place that type of expectations on another without warning and then just expect them to bail you out. Only a child thinks like this.

[ZephyrMenodora]

100% disagree.

If the healer or dps don't have enough respect to wait for me as the literal tank of the group then give me a reason I have to show them any courtesy by helping them.

They volunteered themselves for for a role they are not.

They disrespected not only their party by pulling ahead they are expecting you to help them for their selfish decision. Why would I reward that type of behavior by helping?

If you wanted to pull the dungeon or dictate the speed at which you go then you should have played the job that allowes that the tank.

Its completely u fair to place that type of expectations on another without warning and then just expect them to bail you out. Only a child thinks like this.

I never run and pull, but if someone else did am I as the healer supposed to watch them die too? Your egotism not only effects the puller, but the rest of the party that attacks the mobs.

You also waste your own time as they wipe and need to start over.

It takes tanks no effort to just keep pressing their AOE button if the DPS brings the mobs to you.

(If the DPS doesn't bother doing that and expects you to run all over, well then their death is on them).

[Valorak]

What world do you guys live in that this is actually a regular problem? It's rare to find a tank that ISN'T pulling W2W. And even in the instances that they aren't, I think the only time I remember ever having party drama because of it was during Heavensward, when W2W was becoming more commonplace.

In the rare instance that it does happen, DON'T be obnoxious weirdos and DO just talk to each other like decent human beings.

[ZephyrMenodora]

What world do you guys live in that this is actually a regular problem? It's rare to find a tank that ISN'T pulling W2W. And even in the instances that they aren't, I think the only time I remember ever having party drama because of it was during Heavensward, when W2W was becoming more commonplace.

In the rare instance that it does happen, DON'T be obnoxious weirdos and DO just talk to each other like decent human beings.

Pretty much this. Last night I had a non W2W tank when I was levelling my Picto. The other Picto tried to pull and died immediately. Me and the healer just said "naughty!" and she said "oops!" and that was that. No real drama. She didn't try to pull again lol.

[Magikazam]

100% disagree.

If the healer or dps don't have enough respect to wait for me as the literal tank of the group then give me a reason I have to show them any courtesy by helping them.

They volunteered themselves for for a role they are not.

They disrespected not only their party by pulling ahead they are expecting you to help them for their selfish decision. Why would I reward that type of behavior by helping?

If you wanted to pull the dungeon or dictate the speed at which you go then you should have played the job that allowes that the tank.

Its completely unfair to place that type of expectations on another without warning and then just expect them to bail you out. Only a child thinks like this.

Got it, the next time a Tank or dps use a healing move I will cease to do my job as a healer and let people die.

[Rychu]

100% disagree.

If the healer or dps don't have enough respect to wait for me as the literal tank of the group then give me a reason I have to show them any courtesy by helping them.

They volunteered themselves for for a role they are not.

They disrespected not only their party by pulling ahead they are expecting you to help them for their selfish decision. Why would I reward that type of behavior by helping?

If you wanted to pull the dungeon or dictate the speed at which you go then you should have played the job that allowes that the tank.

Its completely unfair to place that type of expectations on another without warning and then just expect them to bail you out. Only a child thinks like this.

That's why when I level up my healers if I see a DPS pop Second Wind i refuse to heal for the rest of the pull. How rude of them for doing my job when I am the literal healer. They volunteered themselves for a role they are not.

[HighlanderClone]

What world do you guys live in that this is actually a regular problem? It's rare to find a tank that ISN'T pulling W2W. And even in the instances that they aren't, I think the only time I remember ever having party drama because of it was during Heavensward, when W2W was becoming more commonplace.

In the rare instance that it does happen, DON'T be obnoxious weirdos and DO just talk to each other like decent human beings.

Actually this happens in all my runs when I am not tanking. Half the healers and most of the DPS have movement abilities that let them get ahead of the tank no matter how hard the tank tries to keep ahead.

It isn't about W2Wing, it's about letting the healer or DPS pull for the tank, soak some damage with their HP bar and maybe apply an Arm's length, while the tank catches up and grabs aggro off of them. This is what optimal dungeon speedrunning looks like. I mean seriously. It's like putting 90K HP worth of shields (the puller's HP bar) and an extra mitigation (Arm's Length) on the mobs. The tanks should actually be thanking the puller.