Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Amh_Wilzuun]

I think these initial reactions to the story will be seen as overblown in a few years, which is exactly what happened to Stormblood. Seeing comments that are saying stuff like “WuK is tHe WorSt cHaRaCTer sinCe LYsE” really cements this for me. Hating Lyse that much in 2024 is just hilarious.

[CerusSerenade]

I think these initial reactions to the story will be seen as overblown in a few years, which is exactly what happened to Stormblood. Seeing comments that are saying stuff like “WuK is tHe WorSt cHaRaCTer sinCe LYsE” really cements this for me. Hating Lyse that much in 2024 is just hilarious.

Pretty much this, in a year or two people will stop obsessing and only the truly unhinged will continue to go on about this.

[Aurumis]

Pretty much this, in a year or two people will stop obsessing and only the truly unhinged will continue to go on about this.

Just because people won't focus in what they don't like for years doesn't mean it becomes good suddenly. So you should stop smoking.

[jumps004]

I think these initial reactions to the story will be seen as overblown in a few years, which is exactly what happened to Stormblood. Seeing comments that are saying stuff like “WuK is tHe WorSt cHaRaCTer sinCe LYsE” really cements this for me. Hating Lyse that much in 2024 is just hilarious.

No matter how hard you want it to be, being dismissive still isn't actual feedback. You still have a chance to add positively to the conversation.

[Amh_Wilzuun]

No matter how hard you want it to be, being dismissive still isn't actual feedback. You still have a chance to add positively to the conversation.

Idk I my prediction is a pretty positive outlook on the future lmao

[ForteNightshade]

I think these initial reactions to the story will be seen as overblown in a few years, which is exactly what happened to Stormblood. Seeing comments that are saying stuff like “WuK is tHe WorSt cHaRaCTer sinCe LYsE” really cements this for me. Hating Lyse that much in 2024 is just hilarious.

Stormblood didn't see anywhere close to the backlash Dawntrail is facing. Ironically, even though a fair number were critical of the Ala Mhigan side of the story, Doma was near universally beloved from day one. In fact, it's the praise for Doma and all her work prior which drew more and more attention to Ishikawa and likely contributed to her taking the reigns for Shadowbringers.

Dawntrail, by comparison, has no arc that isn't heavily divisive. I'd argue some are looking back on their criticism of Lyse because for all her flaws even she didn't dominate the narrative remotely to the same extent Wuk Lamat does nor was our character sidelined to prop up her story. Going further, Stormblood managed to give character to Lyse, Hien, Yugiri, Gosetsu, Yotsuyu and even Zenos which is a feat in and of itself. All while still giving the WoL moments too. How many did Dawntrail have? Wuk Lamat and... Koana, her brother. Everyone and I mean, everyone was put on the backburner because Dawntrail is the Wuk Lamat show.

At least Koana was good.

[Seneschal]

After being led around by the edgy nihilism train that was Emet and Zenos, I thought she was a nice optimistic change of pace.

[Aurumis]

Stormblood didn't see anywhere close to the backlash Dawntrail is facing. Ironically, even though a fair number were critical of the Ala Mhigan side of the story, Doma was near universally beloved from day one. In fact, it's the praise for Doma and all her work prior which drew more and more attention to Ishikawa and likely contributed to her taking the reigns for Shadowbringers.

Dawntrail, by comparison, has no arc that isn't heavily divisive. I'd argue some are looking back on their criticism of Lyse because for all her flaws even she didn't dominate the narrative remotely to the same extent Wuk Lamat does nor was our character sidelined to prop up her story. Going further, Stormblood managed to give character to Lyse, Hien, Yugiri, Gosetsu, Yotsuyu and even Zenos which is a feat in and of itself. All while still giving the WoL moments too. How many did Dawntrail have? Wuk Lamat and... Koana, her brother. Everyone and I mean, everyone was put on the backburner because Dawntrail is the Wuk Lamat show.

At least Koana was good.

Koana... and Erenville and his mother are good characters too.

[ForteNightshade]

Koana... and Erenville and his mother are good characters too.

I did mention Koana. Regardless, I never said we didn't have good characters but rather they had very little development. Erenville manages to get something but a good portion of his story is completely sidelined in favor propping up Wuk Lamat. He finally gets a moment... at the very end of the story before we're right back to Wuk running the show for the remainder of the game. At least he had some build up with his mother unlike poor Krile who wasn't even allowed to open the door to the Golden City herself. Speaking of Cahciua, she's great. Not a lot in the way of character development which was my point of critique but you could argue that, I'll admit.

[AlexisLestrange]

Going further, Stormblood managed to give character to Lyse, Hien, Yugiri, Gosetsu, Yotsuyu and even Zenos which is a feat in and of itself. All while still giving the WoL moments too. How many did Dawntrail have?

Let's be fair, most of Gosetsu and Yotsuyu's character were built in the patches of Stormblood leading up to the Castrum Fluminis trial. We also had Sphene who I'd dare say had a convincing enough character. We're still in 7.0, so I'm not going to give my full verdict on the whole of DT's story until somewhere as far as 7.2-7.3, maybe 7.4 depending on how far they push it. We didn't see a full conclusion to Shadowbringers until 5.3, and roughly 3.3 with Heavensward.