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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    WHM’s problem is it brings nothing to the table

    AST is a stronger pure healer than WHM and both pure healers pale in comparison to the shield healers in terms of the type or healing that 14 rewards. Yet WHM has nothing to compensate this. Chunky pure healing is near worthless in this game and hilariously SCH can now do it better than WHM anyway. It has no non damage utility (like expedience or smudge) it has no buffs, its mitigation is weak and wonky and its damage rarely goes above anything besides SGE except fights with a large amount of downtime

    Basically the problem is WHM is playing a different game. Misery being neutral sorta fixed this by making lilys proxy oGCD’s but since WHM brings nothing to the table besides its raw healing power it just doesn’t bring anything to the raid because the style of “plenary asylum temperance cure 3” healing just doesn’t exist in this game

    Medica is near redundant because medica 2 only needs to tick once to do more healing than medica 1, cure 2 should just upgrade from cure 1, aquaveil and bension should just be one button and you could bake plenary into some combo of temperance, asylum and just the default potency of your skills. That frees up 4 buttons
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    Eri Battlesaint
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    WHM’s problem is it brings nothing to the table

    AST is a stronger pure healer than WHM and both pure healers pale in comparison to the shield healers in terms of the type or healing that 14 rewards. Yet WHM has nothing to compensate this. Chunky pure healing is near worthless in this game and hilariously SCH can now do it better than WHM anyway. It has no non damage utility (like expedience or smudge) it has no buffs, its mitigation is weak and wonky and its damage rarely goes above anything besides SGE except fights with a large amount of downtime

    Basically the problem is WHM is playing a different game. Misery being neutral sorta fixed this by making lilys proxy oGCD’s but since WHM brings nothing to the table besides its raw healing power it just doesn’t bring anything to the raid because the style of “plenary asylum temperance cure 3” healing just doesn’t exist in this game

    Medica is near redundant because medica 2 only needs to tick once to do more healing than medica 1, cure 2 should just upgrade from cure 1, aquaveil and bension should just be one button and you could bake plenary into some combo of temperance, asylum and just the default potency of your skills. That frees up 4 buttons
    I'm seeing a potential problem here for the pro Healer Strike people. They don't care at all about the little guy and are all elitist raiders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    I'm seeing a potential problem here for the pro Healer Strike people. They don't care at all about the little guy and are all elitist raiders.
    Once again

    1) respond to our arguments
    2) I’m sorry I can’t be an elitist raider, Patricia 14 posts ago told me I was a garbage casual. If you wanna throw around ad hominem attacks please coordinate with the other people so you all hit us with the same ad hominem
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Once again

    1) respond to our arguments
    2) I’m sorry I can’t be an elitist raider, Patricia 14 posts ago told me I was a garbage casual. If you wanna throw around ad hominem attacks please coordinate with the other people so you all hit us with the same ad hominem
    We are in the elitist part of the loop again. Cant wait for someone to make the next google spreadsheet about how casual the entire thread is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao
    Quote Originally Posted by os12ispeak View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    I'm seeing a potential problem here for the pro Healer Strike people. They don't care at all about the little guy and are all elitist raiders.
    Here we go again. Can people please make their mind up already? Are we stupid plebs with skill issues who have no right to talk because we haven't achieved some arbitrary milestone, or are we too elite to understand the casual? Which is it? Because it can't be both.

    Also, it seems that not everyone agrees about jobs with a lot of buttons being hard to play on console. Take a look at this thread:https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...nd_controller/
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