Feedback: Dawntrail MSQ thoughts

[Cleretic]

Cleretic does this all the time. You did a good job but it's probably best for your sanity if you bow out. You proved your point very well, anyone can see that.

They're really not, don't give them that credit. They've ignored the things I actually said about everything in favor of just continuing to fire off personal attacks, and beg the question on a point that honestly I don't think they've ever actually articulated. I just put them on ignore because it's the same non-argument again and again, no matter what I say.

I said 'it's okay to have preferences'; they claimed that I meant it as an insult, before saying that I should accept that people have preferences. They seem to really think that I have some secret, argument-compromising personal and emotional reason that I like Wuk Lamat, when... honestly, we all know that preferences are personal, I have always been open about liking Wuk Lamat, and that I just like putting into words why I think she, and other parts of the story, work. And those reasons are things like 'Wuk Lamat has an arc I relate to and is well-suited for the lead role she has', and 'Krile's story is well-picked to suit the character she is'.

If they really think I have some secret, compromising or nefarious reason for liking Wuk Lamat that I'm just not saying, then I think they should just come forward with the accusation, because nobody's going to hear it if you don't say it out loud. And if you think they proved their point about it, maybe you can share what that point is.

[honest_psycho]

They're really not, don't give them that credit. They've ignored the things I actually said about everything in favor of just continuing to fire off personal attacks.

Here's a quote from YOU earlier.:

No. That is only a problem for you, and it's largely because you aren't very good at reading this story

You're the last person here who has any right to complain about personal attacks.
Every "mean" comment directed at you came AFTER that.

[Cleretic]

Here's a quote from YOU earlier.:


You're the last person here who has any right to complain about personal attacks.
Every "mean" comment directed at you came AFTER that.

You think Wuk Lamat doesn't have character growth. Not 'doesn't have good character growth', but doesn't have any at all. That either requires not understanding what character growth is, or not understanding Dawntrail.

But I don't care about that. I care about what you keep dancing around. Now, can you please say the quiet part loud like you want to, and say what the 'personal, emotional' reason I like Wuk Lamat is that you seem so sure I'm hiding? That isn't the simple reason of 'I find her fun and think she is relatable'? You seem to think you've got some secret gotcha, so really, don't hold back.

[honest_psycho]

You think Wuk Lamat doesn't have character growth. Not 'doesn't have good character growth', but doesn't have any at all. That either requires not understanding what character growth is, or not understanding Dawntrail.

But I don't care about that. I care about what you keep dancing around. Now, can you please say the quiet part loud like you want to, and say what the 'personal, emotional' reason I like Wuk Lamat is that you seem so sure I'm hiding? That isn't the simple reason of 'I find her fun and think she is relatable'? You seem to think you've got some secret gotcha, so really, don't hold back.

My primary reason for wrting in this forum in the first place is to provide feedback to the developers and give my reasons to why the writer of this MSQ needs to be immediately fired.
I think I and other people her already gave sufficient reasons for that.

The reason why I assumed some hidden reason was out of genuine frustration and confusion and because of the insults and vitriol you showed us.
And even if that reason is what I think it is, its not even relevant, since I already achieved my primary goal, which i stated above.

In hindsight, assuming some ulterior motive like this was petty and I have to apologize for my conduct.
Therefore, elaborating on that reason would be an actual personal attack, and I already acused you of being an "enlightened Poet".
And I'm not so boorish to perform armchair-psychology to win an argument on the internet.

[ZavosEsperian]

You're the last person here who has any right to complain about personal attacks.
Every "mean" comment directed at you came AFTER that.

I would avoid getting too heated with Cleretic. Especially when you see something like this:

But I don't care about that. I care about what you keep dancing around. Now, can you please say the quiet part loud like you want to, and say what the 'personal, emotional' reason I like Wuk Lamat is that you seem so sure I'm hiding? That isn't the simple reason of 'I find her fun and think she is relatable'? You seem to think you've got some secret gotcha, so really, don't hold back.

I believe you (honest_pyscho) are arguing rather well. My personal opinion on the story is that Wuk Lamat is the worst character ever written in FFXIV. As my previous post would imply, she is a Black Hole Sue who warps the game, its plots, and lore around her shredding anything that comes to close only to consume it should it wander ever too close. It is why I believe beloved characters, such as G'raha Tia and Y'shtola, are largely absent from the story as they know the ramifications of getting close to a black hole, thus know to stay away from the literal personification of one.

Now, can you please say the quiet part loud like you want to, and say what the 'personal, emotional' reason I like Wuk Lamat

I am bored so I will take the bait:

The main trait I can you seeing a part of yourself in Wuk Lamat is that you can related to her naïvety. This is clearly visible based on the conversations going on around you and honest_psycho here. Outside of this, I would find certain things difficult to associate since, from my time here observing, you don't exactly have the magnetic personality that Wuk Lamat is most well known for. To put it into literary/trope terms, where Wuk Lamat is the Black Hole Sue, you are the anti-Sue, so perhaps it is a matter of opposite tropes being attracted to each other. I do think what answer you are looking for probably is not one of the ones I listed above since you are tenaciously grasping for an answer.