The forum has been too much negativities lately

[Musashidon]

No it's objectively poorly written, there are standards to good story telling that are taught very early on in creative writing, this story fails almost all of them.

everything is subjective the stardards made are made based on peoples opinions. there is no objectively correct writing.

[Gr1mwolf]

everything is subjective the stardards made are made based on peoples opinions. there is no objectively correct writing.

That's a terrible take. That's the same as saying that a stick figure on a napkin is just as good as the Mona Lisa because art is subjective and not everyone likes the same stuff.

[Musashidon]

That's a terrible take. That's the same as saying that a stick figure on a napkin is just as good as the Mona Lisa because art is subjective and not everyone likes the same stuff.

yes. what?! if someone hates the mona lisa it doesn't invalidate it sorta like if more people like it than a stick figure on a napkin it doesn't invalidate it.

you can objectively say it's harder to paint the mona lisa but you can't straight up say it's better and say its a fact.

[Enjuden]

yes. what?! if someone hates the mona lisa it doesn't invalidate it sorta like if more people like it than a stick figure on a napkin it doesn't invalidate it.

you can objectively say it's harder to paint the mona lisa but you can't straight up say it's better and say its a fact.

Okay, prove a stick figure is better or equal to the Mona Lisa if you truly believe what you say.

[Musashidon]

Okay, prove a stick figure is better or equal to the Mona Lisa if you truly believe what you say.

oh easy someone made it enjoyed making and loved that they made it.

[Enjuden]

oh easy someone made it enjoyed making and loved that they made it.

A child drew a flower with their own poop on the wall and found it funny. Therefore it is equal to the Mona Lisa since the child enjoyed it.

This is your entire argument.

[Malthir]

yes. what?! if someone hates the mona lisa it doesn't invalidate it sorta like if more people like it than a stick figure on a napkin it doesn't invalidate it.

you can objectively say it's harder to paint the mona lisa but you can't straight up say it's better and say its a fact.

But it's objectively bad by the standards of the industry it's in. It's a fact that it doesn't hold up to the tenants of good writing. Even in art there are universal truths, that how AI is capable of producing music that people like, because human enjoyment is a definable spectrum. I personally don't like the tropes they used and dislike the personality of Wuk, that's subjective, it's my taste, I can completely understand why some people would like loud childish characters, people have different tastes. The issues with character growth, pacing, showing not telling etc, however objective truths in the paradigm of creative writing.

[Musashidon]

The issues with character growth, pacing, showing not telling etc, however objective truths in the paradigm of creative writing.

every bit here is still subjective how much character growth is the correct amount? how much pacing is the correct amount? how much showing? you keep saying this is objective but it's still entirely subjective if they did the right amount.

No, there actually is. There are entire fields of study around narrative design and literature theory that discuss what makes a story well written or not.

That doesn't mean you can't still enjoy a poorly written story, but a well written story will be more impactful and generally enjoyed more for what it is.

so there is no well written stories at all that flopped and didn't do well? sorta like there are no poorly written stories that did well? in the end no matter what writting being good or bad is opinionated. you can say something sold well or is a classic it is what you are taught as a base in school but they are not some set in fact as what you have to do to have a good story.

[Malthir]

every bit here is still subjective how much character growth is the correct amount? how much pacing is the correct amount? how much showing? you keep saying this is objective but it's still entirely subjective if they did the right amount.




so there is no well written stories at all that flopped and didn't do well? sorta like there are no poorly written stories that did well? in the end no matter what writting being good or bad is opinionated. you can say something sold well or is a classic it is what you are taught as a base in school but they are not some set in fact as what you have to do to have a good story.

There is none that was my point. I would agree it's subjective if I didn't like the way, the characters grew. That's not the case. The characters don't grow, their personalities go from one end to the other, no in-between stage, therefor no growth. You could try and argue that the growth is off cam. This would be reasonable if they gave us time before the changes, however the characters go through personality changes from 1 cutscene to the next.

[Xylira]

so there is no well written stories at all that flopped and didn't do well? sorta like there are no poorly written stories that did well? in the end no matter what writting being good or bad is opinionated. you can say something sold well or is a classic it is what you are taught as a base in school but they are not some set in fact as what you have to do to have a good story.

You're conflating financial success with literary competence, which are two vastly different things. While yes, the literary competence of a piece of media can contribute to the financial success, there are countless other variables that impact whether or not a piece of media is financially successful. Discoverability of a piece of media is probably the biggest factor in how successful it is.

There are historically lots of fantastic pieces of literary work that went unnoticed until after the writer passed. And of course there's a lot of poorly written nonsense that gets ridiculously popular because its lucky enough to be picked up by a large distributor and pushed in front of the masses.