Dawntrail's Final Zones destroy everything the story has built.

[Kaecilius]

All of these people have previously died. They already lived full lives. There is literally no point in bringing them back "alive" or keeping them that way. The whole thing perverts the cycle of life, death, and rebirth by throwing the dead into a crumbling Disneyland full of fiends where they might get reembodied once every couple of decades or centuries.

They lived "full lives" stuck in an eternal storm within the dome in a dead reflection. Current Solution Nine citizens seem to have it pretty good, but they were robbed of their world due to Ascian meddling. This goes doubly-so for the citizens of Yyasulani that basically got a dome-bomb dropped on them and were then severed from the outside world as they rapidly aged from the Source's point of view. The framing of the game goes out of its way to let you know they were all happy, but the situation is horrifying.

Maybe post-DT Cid will come along and go "hey we can power Living Memory back up", and everyone will be like "but we already euthanized the endless, won't that be like raising them back from the Aetherial sea against their wishes?"

I do think it's too late to try something like this because it goes strongly against the theme of letting things go. It's possible that we will end up giving them "a new dawn" by helping them be reborn in the source (grab the memories, give them new actual bodies using Garlean cloning or something like that, so they can have one honest shot at an actual life), but since the game was stating that we were erasing them... I doubt it.

[Mikey_R]

I do think it's too late to try something like this because it goes strongly against the theme of letting things go. It's possible that we will end up giving them "a new dawn" by helping them be reborn in the source (grab the memories, give them new actual bodies using Garlean cloning or something like that, so they can have one honest shot at an actual life), but since the game was stating that we were erasing them... I doubt it.

Define 'actual' life? Why is it fair for those who happened to be stuck in Living memory to be given a second shot at life, but people on the source aren't? You are better off just leaving them alone at this point because, as you said, the whole point of the expansion is about letting go.

[Kaecilius]

Define 'actual' life? Why is it fair for those who happened to be stuck in Living memory to be given a second shot at life, but people on the source aren't? You are better off just leaving them alone at this point because, as you said, the whole point of the expansion is about letting go.

Is it fair that we gave the Crystal Exarch a second shot at life by overwriting the memories of his past self, despite him being basically a refugee from a dead timeline? We save the ones we can.

As you say, it's probably better to just leave them alone and move forward from this entire thing at this point but the choices made, and the reactions of the characters left a bitter taste for a lot of us. It may have just been muddled writing, where what they say doesn't seem to match what we see.

[Mikey_R]

Is it fair that we gave the Crystal Exarch a second shot at life by overwriting the memories of his past self, ...

Just want to point out we never overwrite G'Raha Tia's memories, just add onto them.

[Kaecilius]

Just want to point out we never overwrite G'Raha Tia's memories, just add onto them.

We force a hundred of years of trauma into a younger G'raha that would not have undergone said trauma because the Eight Umbral Calamity didn't happen in our timeline.

[Mikey_R]

We force a hundred of years of trauma into a younger G'raha that would not have undergone said trauma because the Eight Umbral Calamity didn't happen in our timeline.

Yes, but we didn't overwrite any memories doing it.

[Gortys]

We force a hundred of years of trauma into a younger G'raha that would not have undergone said trauma because the Eight Umbral Calamity didn't happen in our timeline.

This implies it was done against his wishes - it was not.

[Sephi_Ravour]

.... and the reactions of the characters left a bitter taste for a lot of us. It may have just been muddled writing, where what they say doesn't seem to match what we see.

This is the whole crux of this dilemma. The Endless are indistinguishable from "real" npcs, the way they are written and portrayed. They show emotions, feelings, dreams the same way as any other npc. If the writters wanted to portray them just as computer programs, they should have added more clear differences in their behaviour.

[TheMightyMollusk]

This is the whole crux of this dilemma. The Endless are indistinguishable from "real" npcs, the way they are written and portrayed. They show emotions, feelings, dreams the same way as any other npc. If the writters wanted to portray them just as computer programs, they should have added more clear differences in their behaviour.

Why? We had all the context we needed to know what was going on by that point. Making them more obviously fake would've been throwing water on a river.

[SirShady]

Why? We had all the context we needed to know what was going on by that point. Making them more obviously fake would've been throwing water on a river.

Yes, a 5 minute conversation with the one Endless who escaped the system with her emotions and memories in tact telling us they don't have the capacity to feel sadness or have painful memories was all the convincing I needed to delete them all.

Bad writing.