[PLD] May we have a helmet please?

[Karkarov]

That’s the thing, the paladin armor designs are so good yet lacks what makes it complete, A helmet. EW artifact is so good i don’t know why SE didn’t give it a helmet

Again you are complaining about a helmet. Switch to Dark. In Stormblood we got a sword that we held so that when you attacked it was with the blunt side, and a armor set so offensively bad I can't tell if someone just had no idea how to design armor or was trolling us. In Shadowbringers we got a fairly boring bland armor that was "ok" at best and a weapon that was basically a serving tray for an all you can eat buffet. In Endwalker we got an armor that gave you the waist of a female model and a tail (?????) plus high heel boots (I guess you have to play a female character for this set). Oh and another all you can eat buffet tray. In Dawntrail we got a robe instead of armor that has fur around the wrists and a shoulder cape???? Plus of course... another all you can eat buffet tray for a weapon. PS it has also been the same helmet three expansion in a row, it just slightly changes design/color each time.

But by all means, tell me how rough not having a helmet is.

[IvoryBadge]

Again you are complaining about a helmet. Switch to Dark. In Stormblood we got a sword that we held so that when you attacked it was with the blunt side, and a armor set so offensively bad I can't tell if someone just had no idea how to design armor or was trolling us. In Shadowbringers we got a fairly boring bland armor that was "ok" at best and a weapon that was basically a serving tray for an all you can eat buffet. In Endwalker we got an armor that gave you the waist of a female model and a tail (?????) plus high heel boots (I guess you have to play a female character for this set). Oh and another all you can eat buffet tray. In Dawntrail we got a robe instead of armor that has fur around the wrists and a shoulder cape???? Plus of course... another all you can eat buffet tray for a weapon. PS it has also been the same helmet three expansion in a row, it just slightly changes design/color each time.

But by all means, tell me how rough not having a helmet is.

Okay but why are you mad we ask for a helmet? Maybe make a thread about drk designs and hopefully people push the thread along?

[Karkarov]

Okay but why are you mad we ask for a helmet? Maybe make a thread about drk designs and hopefully people push the thread along?

There are already tons of great helmets in game that fit with your armor, and your "coronet" doesn't even look bad. You legit had the best armor set they have ever made for any class in any expansion in Endwalker but you are whining. That's why I am calling you out, you are pulling the definition of "first world problem". If I thought making a thread would make the next dark knight set in 2-3 years anything other than a dumpster fire I would, but it won't.

[IvoryBadge]

There are already tons of great helmets in game that fit with your armor, and your "coronet" doesn't even look bad. You legit had the best armor set they have ever made for any class in any expansion in Endwalker but you are whining. That's why I am calling you out, you are pulling the definition of "first world problem". If I thought making a thread would make the next dark knight set in 2-3 years anything other than a dumpster fire I would, but it won't.

No one is arguing with the fact the PLD had the best design ever for EW. my point is it didn’t get the one thing that would make the design 100% complete. And there are like tons of coronets in MB that are better than the AF. You’re calling asking for something that we never got “whining” when you won’t even bother to start a thread and call others out. You’re malding over nothing dude, stop the drk victim mentality.

[Magikazam]

iirc we had this discussion before. My counter argument is OG warrior of light had a helmet. Aside from the whole idea of a Paladin is being the protector covered in metal.

And yes give Paladin a helmet. And ONLY for Paladin.

Og warrior of light couldn't be a paladin considering that job didn't exist in the first game. He most likely represented the Warrior class.

And b4 you bring back the ''Knight = Paladin in JP'' I will say that the in-game sprite don't wear any helmet, despite other job like BLM and RDM having their Iconic hats, WHM it iconic hood and even ninja in that game got a helmet.

[IvoryBadge]

Og warrior of light couldn't be a paladin considering that job didn't exist in the first game. He most likely represented the Warrior class.

And b4 you bring back the ''Knight = Paladin in JP'' I will say that the in-game sprite don't wear any helmet, despite other job like BLM and RDM having their Iconic hats, WHM it iconic hood and even ninja in that game got a helmet.

Since suddenly everyone now is fixated about design roots then why is dark knight running around with a greatsword? Shouldn’t dark knight have sword/spear for everyones beloved Cecil? In an mmo scenario shouldn’t dark knight be a dps instead of a tank?

As for the sprite argument, we’re talking 8bit NES game. It’s way too much easier to make a sprite with hat/mask than a helmet. Helmets started to take shape for sprites in FF3.

And WoL being most likely a warrior? A warrior with swords and shields? Not the Berserker from FF5? Now we conflicting the FF14 warrior aren’t we?.

Idk why we are even talking about design roots. It’s a simple request for a helmet for paladin which is extremely reasonable for a knight protector clad in metal. considering how 14 takes a wild ride with fashion yet for whatever reason there’s some folk rejecting the idea.

[Magikazam]

Since suddenly everyone now is fixated about design roots then why is dark knight running around with a greatsword? Shouldn’t dark knight have sword/spear for everyones beloved Cecil?

In Classic Era FF (so pre FF7) Weapon weren't that much restricted. Sure you got a few jobs that are more ''niche'' and ended up limited in their choices, but vast majority of jobs shared the sames. Take FF3, on the ds version, Dark knight can use dagger sword and katana, they could even use boomrang in the og version. It hard to determine a ''weapon'' for jobs that aint locked to a single option (Like dragoon with lances). FFXIV decided that jobs where locked to a single type of weapon and so since DRK can, most of the time, use 2 handed sword, they gave it a greatsword.

In an mmo scenario shouldn’t dark knight be a dps instead of a tank?

I don't see why it couldn't be either? Again, Dark knight are known to wear Heavy armor in classic FF game and they could have gone the dps way by making them use their own HP as a ressource. Hell, even in the other MMO FXI, they made drk a tank.

As for the sprite argument, we’re talking 8bit NES game. It’s way too much easier to make a sprite with hat/mask than a helmet. Helmets started to take shape for sprites in FF3.

So why did they gave the ninja both an helmet and a face mask, but couldn't do it on the knight? Idk why you even bring FF3 in this since that game is also in 8-bit and as you said, many sprite got helmet. Also like you said, Knight = Paladin in Jp. They even gave the Knigth in FF3 a little coronet on it sprite.

And WoL being most likely a warrior? A warrior with swords and shields? Not the Berserker from FF5? Now we conflicting the FF14 warrior aren’t we?..

Again with the weapon, Knight and Warrior often use the same weapon in classic era, hell Cecil can go around swinging an axe if you want. Only in FF3 it differ since Pld/Knight are limited to sword while Warrior can use axe. My guess is they took inspiration of Cecil having the cover skill to give PLD shield and they gave Warrior the Axe so we don't get tons of sword wielding jobs. Berserker in FF5 ain't even limited to axe and warrior don't take anything from their design in terms or armor, so idk why you bring that up. Did you know Berserker also use dagger? dang those FFXIV dev really took Berserker design and gave it to ninja!

Idk why we are even talking about design roots.

Cause Artifact armor whole goal is to have a design that hit the classic era job identity. I could argue that SMN would look cool with a pointy wizard hat to fit with their books weapons, creating a fantasy wizard vibe, but in the end, the point of SMN Artifact is to have the iconic Horn. combined with green colored clothes or draconic themed gear.

[seraphuslol]

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