Dawntrail's Final Zones destroy everything the story has built.

[Aulainn]

I get what you're saying, but this wasn't a race of people. It was AI computer code based on the memories of living people that required the consumption of actual living souls to maintain. Unless you think an AI generated version of someone has the same rights as a living breathing person you shouldn't feel anything at all except relief no more souls are being destroyed to fuel it.

Say goodbye to G'raha then. He is just "AI computer code" controlling a physical body.

[Boblawblah]

Say goodbye to G'raha then. He is just "AI computer code" controlling a physical body.

Well, as soon as G'raha decides to kill entire realities of other people to steal their souls to sustain his existance, I'll take him out as well.

[Aulainn]

Well, as soon as G'raha decides to kill entire realities of other people to steal their souls to sustain his existance, I'll take him out as well.

You really fail to see the bigger picture, instead of trying to figure out a solution like G'rahas, for example artificial bodies or SOMETHING, you decided to snuff out the potential lives of billions. I want you to remember, we shut those machines down only because "then Sphene will have no reason to merge worlds" not because we needed to.

[Boblawblah]

You really fail to see the bigger picture, instead of trying to figure out a solution like G'rahas, for example artificial bodies or SOMETHING, you decided to snuff out the potential lives of billions. I want you to remember, we shut those machines down only because "then Sphene will have no reason to merge worlds" not because we needed to.

I snuffed out those lives because the story didn't give me a choice. You're overthinking how much the writers thought about this. Good guys good, bad guys bad. It's not meant to be some philosophical trolly mental exercise. You'll just frustrate yourself if you try to do that.

[GrizzlyTank]

I snuffed out those lives because the story didn't give me a choice. You're overthinking how much the writers thought about this. Good guys good, bad guys bad. It's not meant to be some philosophical trolly mental exercise. You'll just frustrate yourself if you try to do that.

Yeah, in this particular case it's much more cut and dry than the previous ones. For better or for worse.

[Eyrilona]

I snuffed out those lives because the story didn't give me a choice. You're overthinking how much the writers thought about this. Good guys good, bad guys bad. It's not meant to be some philosophical trolly mental exercise. You'll just frustrate yourself if you try to do that.

Except that for its best two expansions, that is exactly what this game has been. This game has helped people through depressions, has saved lives even is what I hear from a lot of people who got through a dark period in their lives because of how well written and emotionally resonant the message of hope was through Shadowbringers and base game Endwalker.

A good guys good, bad guys bad shonen style story isn't a bad thing per se, but not as a successor to the above.

It is in the same sense that boxing is a fine sport -- you walk up to your opponent and after some posturing exchange a few punches. That's fine. But not when you do it to someone who was expecting to play chess, in a room generally considered a chess club.

[Shialan]

You really fail to see the bigger picture, instead of trying to figure out a solution like G'rahas, for example artificial bodies or SOMETHING, you decided to snuff out the potential lives of billions. I want you to remember, we shut those machines down only because "then Sphene will have no reason to merge worlds" not because we needed to.

So, did we decide to turn them off before or after we got told what Sphene was going to do?

[Lady_Silvermoon]

Well, as soon as G'raha decides to kill entire realities of other people to steal their souls to sustain his existance, I'll take him out as well.

I thought you were being serious given G'raha created a divergent timeline not knowing if he'd wipe out the people of the other timeline just to save us. Then I realized you assumed that wasn't a thing he's attempted to do before. That was awkward.

They're not people. They're a system. Literally not people. People are Souls+Memory, they are just PNGs saved on a hard drive. If anything, I'm annoyed that I even had to go through the whole waste of time to get to know them. They are as much as people as the recreations in Amaurot, which is to say that "getting to know them" is a waste of time.

Except that we watch the memory aether extracted and sent to Living Memory. When we delete them the look like dissolving memory aether. The aether they are made out of is soul aether. Therefore, they are memory+soul. By your own definition of personhood they meet the standard. For me, I'd ask can they think, desire, make decisions, have feelings, opinions, beliefs, the answer for all those is yes. They are feeling, thinking beings. To argue otherwise means you believe that the AI was puppeteering Cachiua into insisting on her own non-personhood and destruction. The characters also think these beings can think and feel because we put on a play to give the children happy memories before deleting them. They were thinking, feeling aether beings that we dissipated in hopes that it'd give us a tactical advantage. What we did was no different than wiping out the entire Garlean race so Varis has no reason to conquer people.