They are already planning to dumb viper down

[Wolf_Heartnet]

It's perfectly fine as it is. If the job is difficult for you, then practice until you're better with it, and if that doesn't work you could just go back to something you're more comfortable with.
Not every job needs to have a playstyle that appeals to everyone; not every job needs to be easy and accessible.

More job variance means different jobs can appeal to different people, which is in my opinion far better than jobs being dumbed down and homogenized just so anyone can pick up and play them without having to make an effort.

Obviously it isn't or they wouldn't be making the changes they announced that was based on feedback from the players.

I disagree with jobs not appealing to everyone. I believe that they should appeal to the widest audience possible. This is a disagreement that I don't think you or I will change our stance on and thats okay. More accessibility means that more players overall can enjoy it and not just a select few. Its overall better to get a bigger audience.

Again we just fundamentally disagree. But I respect your opinion.

Oh the job you started playing a few days ago feels hard compared to the jobs you've played for years?

How about you give it some amount of time before jumping the "it's too hard" gun?

It's the same for alot of the people here with opposing view. It came out a few days ago and some people are saying "its just fine."

It's a silly argument. Everyone had time to play it. Whether its sufficient time or not to judge it depends on the player and clearly many found it to be in a bad state hence the announced changes.

[noelregnard]

Obviously it isn't or they wouldn't be making the changes they announced that was based on feedback from the players.

I disagree with jobs not appealing to everyone. I believe that they should appeal to the widest audience possible. This is a disagreement that I don't think you or I will change our stance on and thats okay. More accessibility means that more players overall can enjoy it and not just a select few. Its overall better to get a bigger audience.

Again we just fundamentally disagree. But I respect your opinion.

Can't wait for them to remove all the buttons and make all the jobs play themselves. That would make all the jobs playable by everyone and their dogs. Widest audience possible am I right?

It's the same for alot of the people here with opposing view. It came out a few days ago and some people are saying "its just fine."

It's a silly argument. Everyone had time to play it. Whether its sufficient time or not to judge it depends on the player and clearly many found it to be in a bad state hence the announced changes.

It depends on the players alright. The people who actually know how to play would of course have no issue playing the job properly. Those who don't even read the tooltips would resort to crying and asking for things to be dumbed down instead of putting in a modicum amount of effort.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

Can't wait for them to remove all the buttons and make all the jobs play themselves. That would make all the jobs playable by everyone and their dogs. Widest audience possible am I right?


It depends on the players alright. The people who actually know how to play would of course have no issue playing the job properly. Those who don't even read the tooltips would resort to crying and asking for things to be dumbed down instead of putting in a modicum amount of effort.

Sure, they can definitely add in an automation function. I believe some mmos have been starting to do features like that such as Black Desert.

And ur 2nd statement is just a baseless assumption. It adds no value to the conversation other than just being toxic. To me it makes you look like ur lashing out because you dont like people who opposes your opinion on this topic. Please try to be constructive. It would help your case more rather than make people angry at you.

[noelregnard]

Sure, they can definitely add in an automation function. I believe some mmos have been starting to do features like that such as Black Desert.

And ur 2nd statement is just a baseless assumption. It adds no value to the conversation other than just being toxic. To me it makes you look like ur lashing out because you dont like people who opposes your opinion on this topic. Please try to be constructive. It would help your case more rather than make people angry at you.

LMAO. Frankly, I don't care about you. You're just contrarian troll who just likes to be contrarian just to get a rise out of people. I respect neither you nor your "opinion".

[Wolf_Heartnet]

LMAO. Frankly, I don't care about you. You're just contrarian troll who just likes to be contrarian just to get a rise out of people. I respect neither you nor your "opinion".

The only person who seems to be trolling is you. Since you can't argue your point or be constructive we're done here. It seems you just want me to continue taking your bait but that ends here.

[Anatha]

I was going to make this thread if no one else did.

VPR plays perfectly! I'm going to have to ask where did this feedback come from? It certainly wasn't from NA because I haven't seen anyone saying that they need to ease positional requirements.

Moreover, what does it mean "changes to the effects of several actions"? What could this possible refer to? The only thing I can think is Dreadwinder combo not breaking, but that's weird because RPR's combo still breaks with other actions.

Eh what? No, it doesn't. Only time and pressing the wrong 123 button ends it. You can press literally every button reaper has and the combo won't ever break.

[machete115]

I'm happy to see so many others who are also happy that VPR is the way it is. We all subscribed for this, a fast pace job who feels rewarding to pull off correctly. It's nice that I have an alternative to MNK if I want a fast pace, fluid job. So don't change VPR, it's an awesome job

[Eydir]

The only person who seems to be trolling is you. Since you can't argue your point or be constructive we're done here. It seems you just want me to continue taking your bait but that ends here.

But what is it that makes Viper too hard to use? Some classes being more demanding than others is fair and normal so they appeal to various people, similar to how the races appeal to various tastes. And I do not mean this as a dig; I genuinly would just like to know what exactly it is that makes Viper so difficult it needs a change or is seemingly unplayable to people. I can see how weaving is more frequent but otherwise there is not much that sets it apart from classes that have to keep up a dot/debuff or combos which do not break upon executing other skills.

[Furrysparks]

I disagree with jobs not appealing to everyone. I believe that they should appeal to the widest audience possible. This is a disagreement that I don't think you or I will change our stance on and thats okay. More accessibility means that more players overall can enjoy it and not just a select few. Its overall better to get a bigger audience.

Your opinion makes no sense though to be quite honest. You could appeal to more players by having a variety of jobs, with a variety of skill requirements and play styles. Making everything a middling sludge will turn people away who want something else. And if nothing in the game caters to them because every single job is the same difficulty, then they will stop playing and you have fewer players overall.

[Nucah]

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...951dacfe30a6c8

Perhaps they shouldn\\\\'t listen to players hot takes about how "hard" viper is when it hasn\\\\'t been out one week. People tend to underestimate how much muscle memory will make viper feel very easy very quickly as it is.

100%! Couldn't agree more.