JP Official Forums are also criticizing the Dawntrail MSQ.

[Dogempire]

Again, 'nuance' has nothing to do with why people are calling it Stormblood 2.0 so the argument makes no sense.







You're greatly overstating our power level in relation to other people. Yes, we've killed gods... With three to seven other people. We're powerful, but we're not all powerful, and so far beyond everyone else we make them look like a nobody. All the Scions are able to keep up with us, after all.

Regardless of what you want to argue our character's power level is at, we've squared up with Calamity-causing gods like Shinryu and Omega 1v1, and killed several extremely powerful entities like the embodiment of despair with the help of Azem's crystal (Which by the way, is still our power, even if we can't pull a Megumi and use it at every minor inconvenience)

I'd say it's a pretty valid criticism, at the very least we should be shown resisting fatal blows and breaking free of mechanics while everyone else is downed. I think it would be pretty funny if we were depicted as some sort of terminator that just doesn't die, we just gets knocked down for a couple seconds and stands back up as if nothing happened.

Hell, we've already been shown that death is optional for us in Zenos' battle, we can't do it normally for gameplay reasons but storywise they should absolutely use it.

[lolnotacat]

I'd say it's a pretty valid criticism, at the very least we should be shown resisting fatal blows and breaking free of mechanics while everyone else is downed. I think it would be pretty funny if we were depicted as some sort of terminator that just doesn't die, we just gets knocked down for a couple seconds and stands back up as if nothing happened.

What's sad is how much of a missed opportunity this is. Our freakish strength could've been used as an impetus for Zoraal Ja to become desperate, pushing him to be willing to use Sphene and the Alexandrians to gain more power. He clearly didn't see Wuk as a threat (not that she was). Or defending Tuli, if we cleared out entire legions single-handedly, that was what forced him to change tactics. We could've stomped Bakool Ja Ja into the ground early on, which forced him to start using underhanded tactics out of desperation. Then the cartoony moronic characterization wouldn't have been needed. Us being nearly unstoppable terminators would actually be an interesting angle if in a way we turned into Batman like character, creating our own enemies and problems with said strength.

[arstoka]

What's sad is how much of a missed opportunity this is. Our freakish strength could've been used as an impetus for Zoraal Ja to become desperate, pushing him to be willing to use Sphene and the Alexandrians to gain more power. He clearly didn't see Wuk as a threat (not that she was). Or defending Tuli, if we cleared out entire legions single-handedly, that was what forced him to change tactics. We could've stomped Bakool Ja Ja into the ground early on, which forced him to start using underhanded tactics out of desperation. Then the cartoony moronic characterization wouldn't have been needed. Us being nearly unstoppable terminators would actually be an interesting angle if in a way we turned into Batman like character, creating our own enemies and problems with said strength.

I really like this idea. I found there's a lot we can play with in terms of story when the protagonist is incredibly powerful.

[Folsom]

Regardless of what you want to argue our character's power level is at, we've squared up with Calamity-causing gods like Shinryu and Omega 1v1, and killed several extremely powerful entities like the embodiment of despair with the help of Azem's crystal (Which by the way, is still our power, even if we can't pull a Megumi and use it at every minor inconvenience)

I'd say it's a pretty valid criticism, at the very least we should be shown resisting fatal blows and breaking free of mechanics while everyone else is downed. I think it would be pretty funny if we were depicted as some sort of terminator that just doesn't die, we just gets knocked down for a couple seconds and stands back up as if nothing happened.

Hell, we've already been shown that death is optional for us in Zenos' battle, we can't do it normally for gameplay reasons but storywise they should absolutely use it.

To support what you're saying, Midgardsormr literally says, "Strong art thou, mortal--stronger than any other of thy kind." When we kill Thordan, he says, "Who... what are you!?" because we're obviously so beyond everyone. When the Allagan device scans us as a Summoner, it says, "Anomalous potential confirmed. Commencing scan. Latent aetherial capacity: immeasurable." Emet-Selch literally says, "Oh, you tower over your misbegotten ilk, no doubt..." after knocking out the scions while we, at our weakest, filled with light and about to turn, are merely staggered. When Quintus has shock collars put on the twins, he says, "The Champion of Eorzea will not be so easily cowed. Even if he allowed himself to be collared, the shock would be no more than an itch;" he fully recognized we could have wiped the floor with every soldier there without even a struggle. When the Endsinger launches the Scions into the air to destroy them with a massive planet, we don't even budge. And on and on.

Canonically, not all of the primal/lightwarden battles are with 3 or 7 other adventurers; the game is inconsistent on that throughout, and even when it isn't, it sometimes lampshades the fact that we only have companions as a game mechanic. For example, with Ifrit and Thordan, there's obviously no actual people with us; there can't be. We didn't get captured with 3 echoed adventurers with Ifrit, and we didn't arrive with an alliance of them for Thordan in the Aetherochemical Research Facility (we entered, at best, with a party, and they're gone after). For Susano, the Kojin say we did it alone, while Alisaie or Lyse, I forget which, makes the joke about adventurers on vacation, and the journal says we had a party. There were no echo/blessing-capable adventurers in the First, and so we can only have soloed Titania and Innocence (and there are reasons others couldn't have been to those fights anyway; we barely knew anyone else in the First for Titania, and the Scions were our party going up--and they were busy behind us and specifically not fighting. There was no way for adventurers to be there).

We have incalculable power, both with aether and dynamis, and no one else even comes close. Fortunately, for story purposes, we can only ever access all of our power fully when the story requires it.

This skit is a joke, but it's only as funny as it is because it's basically reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrfxvxweRXc