Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[Sairaag]

Hey o/

It's just me or female Miqo'te eyes don't look at the same direction ? Didn't notice it before 7.0 but now i can't unsee it... It's look more noticable on moon Miqo'te.

I already post a bug report on french forums but they move it to "Working as Intended" ^^'

Did you know if there is any way to ask devs for a patch ? I don't wan't to fantasia my character but i don't wan't to see her like that !

My Miqo'te is male, but he also has some trouble focusing his eyes after the update. Sometimes he's a little cross-eyed, and sometimes he just stops looking at shorter NPCs:



There have been a lot of posts about Miqo'te eyes. Problems with lighting, Seeker pupil shapes, colours, shadows, eye shapes in general, and apparently with animations/focus too. It definitely doesn't sound like "working as intended". However, there have been so many complaints about changes to all races that I think it'll take a while before the devs acknowledge any of it.

[antylamon]

After seeing a similar expression in the cutscene (and seeing others bringing up expressions) I decided to take a closer look in /gpose and:

(uhhh sorry for phone camera thingie, I'm not sure how to record straight from the game xD)



With /scoff the inner eye corner straight up MOVES! Was it always like that?

Not sure if this is a bug or something, but it makes the eyes feel like they're rotating (and it's kinda unsettling).

I don't recall /smile and /grin from before very well, but included a similar expression from EW benchmark for overall comparison:

[Mr_Gucky]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...97#post6514897

I filed it as a bug report in hopes they consider it a mistake and return "none" to having no gloss. I only have my one character though so I can't show any before and after of lips for different races.

If anyone else would like to reply to that thread and let them know if Dawntrail gave you permanent lip un-togglable gloss, that would be helpful.

Unfortunately the thread is closed.

Another detailed comparison:


The lips have a permanent gloss, even without lipstick (clearly visible on the lower lip). In my opinion, "None" means none and not glossy.

[Turnintino]

Unfortunately the thread is closed.

Another detailed comparison:


The lips have a permanent gloss, even without lipstick (clearly visible on the lower lip). In my opinion, "None" means none and not glossy.

I understand the logic behind the base gloss, since real lips do have a natural shine, due to the different skin texture. But I don't see the harm in making this toggleable.

I'd also love a matte lip color option that doesn't essentially stack gloss effects with the base, at least for those races that include that (my miqo'te's lips are quite glossy, but my male au ra already has virtually none, even with lip color in use). They've already done a lot to reduce the shininess for what I feel is the better, but it's still a little too intense for my tastes under certain lighting conditions.

I would never ask to remove gloss altogether, because I know some of us love it, and there was already a lot of concern that lip color had become too matte with the first DT benchmark. But for those of us who are maybe not going for a "my character is wearing lipstick/gloss" look (I use it, personally, to compensate for a lack of natural pigmentation), and in the interest of providing more customization, I think this would be a great addition.

[Daralii]

With /scoff the inner eye corner straight up MOVES! Was it always like that?

Not sure if this is a bug or something, but it makes the eyes feel like they're rotating (and it's kinda unsettling).

I think I caught that during one of the VPR quests. I wasn't sure what I was seeing and thought I imagined it.

[Cheapshot]

Posting this here as well - the lip indent that came with the 7.0 update on Miqo F - Keeper of the moon characters, Face 4, is way too pronounced. It makes my character look old whenever she has direct light on her face. This was not the case before 7.0. The entire mouth area has some really weird shading to be honest, but the lip indentations are the worst.

Hey, I saw your bug report thread was closed like mine was for insufficient information. You'll probably have to add the system info printout that you can get from the launcher or they'll keep discarding it. I hope you remake the report because I'm really dissatisfied with Face 4's mouth across the board and desperately want them to fix it.

Unfortunately the thread is closed.

Another detailed comparison:


The lips have a permanent gloss, even without lipstick (clearly visible on the lower lip). In my opinion, "None" means none and not glossy.

Yeah, frustrating. I remade it with hopefully what they wanted. I'd love it if you added your screenshot and info in there too. It really helps get this stuff acknowledged.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...bles-lip-gloss

^For anyone it concerns: Go here and let them know if selecting "none" for lip colour now forces you to have lip gloss in Dawntrail when it used to give us a matte lip in Endwalker and prior.

[Lnemoh]

Hey, I saw your bug report thread was closed like mine was for insufficient information. You'll probably have to add the system info printout that you can get from the launcher or they'll keep discarding it. I hope you remake the report because I'm really dissatisfied with Face 4's mouth across the board and desperately want them to fix it.

I remade it with all the info, and they flagged it as "unable to verify". Honestly kinda weird, it takes a few minutes to check under different lighting scenarios - then again, It's not really a "bug" per say, more like a consequence of an inadequate mesh. So I'm hoping by posting it both here and in the Japanese discussion forums this gets noticed. In my opinion, it is the most noticeable and egregious of the issues with the face at the moment - it really makes it ugly.

[Neviklink]

Posting this here as well - the lip indent that came with the 7.0 update on Miqo F - Keeper of the moon characters, Face 4, is way too pronounced. It makes my character look old whenever she has direct light on her face. This was not the case before 7.0. The entire mouth area has some really weird shading to be honest, but the lip indentations are the worst.

if you want here are some up close pictures showing the lip gap on various expressions: link

[Lnemoh]

if you want here are some up close pictures showing the lip gap on various expressions: link

Your character is really pretty! And yeah, its visible - just hard to discern under flat lighting. Feel free to take some screenshots facing the light and share them here. I don't think they will accept this as a bug, so may as well leave as much feedback on this as we can.

[Cheapshot]

Your character is really pretty! And yeah, its visible - just hard to discern under flat lighting. Feel free to take some screenshots facing the light and share them here. I don't think they will accept this as a bug, so may as well leave as much feedback on this as we can.

There so many things I'd like to submit as bugs but I just don't have the time or energy anymore. I already made that huge summary from a few pages ago but there's stuff I didn't even catch. Like for instance, check these out:

Here's what the hair lighting looks like in the CC. Lovely!

Here's what it looks like in the actual game..

Did they get some values flipped or something? I've been noticing the back of hair strands turn nearly black in sunlight.

Here's my character, and here's my characters hair when under a gpose light source

Phosphorescent hair!

But the thing that's bothering me the most is this

The drawn on super dark shadow on our lower lip that doesn't even make sense for the shape of the shadow to be like that. It also is there no matter what direction the light is. It looks awful. I bet they would reject it though and say "working as intended".

It's exasperating. This graphical update feels so unfinished. I wish they'd taken more time on it and held off if it wasn't ready.