JP Official Forums are also criticizing the Dawntrail MSQ.

[Nebelheim]

I wish the story was more like ff11 where we start out as adventurers in new lands then slowly becomes more important to the story and gets acknowledged by each expansions main character instead of using us as a means to an end like dawntrail. There was portions I liked of dawntrail but most of it was boring and felt poorly written in areas.

[LittleArrow]

The people who are 5 are the ones who jump in and start insulting others and saying they have mental health issues.

I didn't realize being passionate about the MSQ in this game is an indication of having mental health issues. God forbid people want to make some noise so that SE could improve next time.

These are the same people that say criticism is overreacting / stifling dev creativity / holding the game back. Despite the fact many of us have been here since the beginning and made this game what it is today through criticism and feedback.

It's legitimately frustrating to see these people come in here, defend objectively bad designs / writing / decisions, get listened, ruin parts of the game, then leave because they were never invested in the game. Then we're left with the pieces of a failing game. I saw it happen in 1.x before Yoshi came in and I've seen it in countless other games that are either hanging on by thread or already shutdown.

Thanks you for the posts and info. I was curious about the JP forums and was a bit doubtful with the 5chn post. I'm glad to see the playerbase that gets the majority of their feedback answered is calling out this bad writing as well. Hopefully we'll see a course correction from the dev team.

[Mostly_Raxus]

this is the only story line in the game that has made me stand up and "Wuk" away.

[izumisms]

Wuk is not liked by JP side anymore than our side. I've seen JP say much more vile things about Wuk than anyone has said on these forums/reddit/twitter.

The Wuk dislike is literally just because of her character, not her VA.



Literally who has said this. EVERYONE is saying it's fine to take a step back to not being front and center, but functionally WoL has been erased from the game. Other characters (Erenville/Krile) who were also supposed to be mainlining this expansion were sidelined. Everyone became extras in "Wuk's Grand Adventure".
If the WoL was removed from the story, nothing would change and that's a bad thing no matter which way you spin it. We had less impact on the story than Mablu.

The only people saying this are people like this person using it as a strawman. The WoL took a backseat in HW and SB but it worked better in those expacs, especially HW but it worked in SB too, because the WoL was also on their own journey and was more than a bobble head and the other characters were more than soulless husks of themselves.

[AmorfaVex]

I'd like to think that the obsession with consoles is at least partly due to the JP market.

This game could be SOOOO much better if it wasn't for the glacial speed of combat.

Consoles have nothing to do with this.

[celfhelp]

Thanks for drawing attention to this thread on the JP forums, which will carry a lot more legitimacy I believe for the developers than the venting found on various anonymous sites.

I read/speak Japanese and continued on into the thread, and I found it reassuring to see the JP players describing in great detail the same kinds of feelings I’ve been getting from XIV lately. Story, story, story presentation at the expense of all else, with gameplay and role-playing in this so-called “role-playing game” becoming some kind of vestigial attachment to 40 hours of watching cutscenes.

frankly they should exclusively listen to the JP forums

the *majority* of western criticism about anything in FFXIV is dull, too simple, and/or too juvenile

i liked the story beginning to end, but i can appreciate and respect different opinions when they're not given like toddlers throwing a tantrum

[celfhelp]

These are the same people that say criticism is overreacting / stifling dev creativity / holding the game back. Despite the fact many of us have been here since the beginning and made this game what it is today through criticism and feedback.

It's legitimately frustrating to see these people come in here, defend objectively bad designs / writing / decisions, get listened, ruin parts of the game, then leave because they were never invested in the game. Then we're left with the pieces of a failing game. I saw it happen in 1.x before Yoshi came in and I've seen it in countless other games that are either hanging on by thread or already shutdown.

Thanks you for the posts and info. I was curious about the JP forums and was a bit doubtful with the 5chn post. I'm glad to see the playerbase that gets the majority of their feedback answered is calling out this bad writing as well. Hopefully we'll see a course correction from the dev team.

on the flipside, "thing i didn't like" gets passed off as "objectively bad thing" WAY too often. any characters i don't like? poorly written. anything's too hard for me? bad design. neither side does themselves any favors because they're too busy being horny for being 'right'

thankfully not everyone (on either side), but far, far too many people approach things like that, especially in online spaces and double especially in online spaces about online games

[Ririta]

FF14 has been progressively less and less mature and more and more childish. Nothing in DT is like 2.55. Congratulations for outing yourself for joining recently.

Game started with power rangers trying to conquer the world and and evil black robe organization whose leader laughs in a way that would make Exdeath blush in embarrassment.

I love complaining about FFXIV but come on now.

[Cinnamon_Strudel]

Shaaloani is where the story starts getting good... But then wuk comes back.

So true. I felt immense relief when Wuk Lamat finally was gone, and to say I was disappointed when they returned a few quests later would be an understatement. My husband heard me audibly groan out of frustration.

[AmorfaVex]

what funny is most the complaints is people unable to deal with NOT being the protagonist for a story and people with Main Character Syndrome can't possibly have fun if its not 100% about their character even tho really after Stormblood, Shadowbringers and EW being so focused on world / universe ending threats their characters would have seen the 1st half as a nice relaxing vacation compared to what they had dealt with for so long and been relaxing.

Main character syndrome.....Did you make this term up?

This is why people play roleplaying games, to be the star in an imaginary universe.

I'm struggling to think of a single triple A RPG/MMO where the player does NOT control the main character.

Most gamers are not interested in playing a bit part in an interactive novel.

Save the experiment for another title and see how it pans out.