JP Official Forums are also criticizing the Dawntrail MSQ.

[Tsumdere]

I think the only difference is no one in JP is criticizing the VA, as the JP VA is very experienced and did a good job conveying the character and her emotions. It might be also why Wuk is less hated by JP

Wuk is not liked by JP side anymore than our side. I've seen JP say much more vile things about Wuk than anyone has said on these forums/reddit/twitter.

The Wuk dislike is literally just because of her character, not her VA.

what funny is most the complaints is people unable to deal with NOT being the protagonist for a story and people with Main Character Syndrome can't possibly have fun if its not 100% about their character even tho really after Stormblood, Shadowbringers and EW being so focused on world / universe ending threats their characters would have seen the 1st half as a nice relaxing vacation compared to what they had dealt with for so long and been relaxing.

Literally who has said this. EVERYONE is saying it's fine to take a step back to not being front and center, but functionally WoL has been erased from the game. Other characters (Erenville/Krile) who were also supposed to be mainlining this expansion were sidelined. Everyone became extras in "Wuk's Grand Adventure".
If the WoL was removed from the story, nothing would change and that's a bad thing no matter which way you spin it. We had less impact on the story than Mablu.

[Roshidon1]

Well she is basically a Mary Sue, from what I have seen so far.

[ReynTime]

Well she is basically a Mary Sue, from what I have seen so far.

Wuk Lamat is a bad character. But she is not a Mary Sue.
People need to stop using "Mary Sue" to define "character I don't like".

[Folsom]

Wuk Lamat is a bad character. But she is not a Mary Sue.
People need to stop using "Mary Sue" to define "character I don't like".

Based on the Wikipedia definition of Mary Sue, I'd say Wuk Lamat actually fits the definition quite well.

A Mary Sue is a character archetype in fiction, usually a young woman, who is often portrayed as inexplicably competent across all domains, gifted with unique talents or powers, liked or respected by most other characters, unrealistically free of weaknesses, extremely attractive, innately virtuous, and generally lacking meaningful character flaws.[1][2][3][4] Usually female and almost always the main character, a Mary Sue is often an author's idealized self-insertion, and may serve as a form of wish fulfillment. Mary Sue stories are often written by adolescent authors.

She's definitely a young woman.

Even though we're told that she's inexperienced, she is competent at everything she attempts within a matter of moments.

She has the unique talent of people just giving in to whatever she requests/asks for, among other things. Her "power" is Charisma, even though many players wouldn't agree that she has it; all of the in-game characters act as if she does.

She is liked/respected by most other characters (even if they don't like/respect her at first, most quickly grow to like her despite how annoying she is).

All of her weaknesses are either quickly overcome or are not meaningful at all (seasickness, naivety; physical weakness is irrelevant because despite claiming to be "weaker" than her brothers and Bakool Ja Ja, she fights an Auspice aka Tural Vidraal and then defeats Bakool Ja Ja and his entire group of lackeys with literally no additional training or development. Not even the Scions could all have done that throughout the story, but she does so with zero problems).

She is attractive (she's a cat girl in a game world where cat girls are universally loved).

She is innately virtuous (Peace! Love! I will save my people!)

All of her character flaws are especially meaningless. Even those we're told she has are erased with ZERO effort and have no bearing on the story after the first moments.

She is not just a Mary Sue. She is the archetypal example of a Mary Sue. She is more Mary Sue than most Mary Sues.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Based on the Wikipedia definition of Mary Sue, I'd say Wuk Lamat actually fits the definition quite well.



She's definitely a young woman.

Even though we're told that she's inexperienced, she is competent at everything she attempts within a matter of moments.

She has the unique talent of people just giving in to whatever she requests/asks for, among other things. Her "power" is Charisma, even though many players wouldn't agree that she has it; all of the in-game characters act as if she does.

She is liked/respected by most other characters (even if they don't like/respect her at first, most quickly grow to like her despite how annoying she is).

All of her weaknesses are either quickly overcome or are not meaningful at all (seasickness, naivety; physical weakness is irrelevant because despite claiming to be "weaker" than her brothers and Bakool Ja Ja, she fights an Auspice aka Tural Vidraal and then defeats Bakool Ja Ja and his entire group of lackeys with literally no additional training or development. Not even the Scions could all have done that throughout the story, but she does so with zero problems).

She is attractive (she's a cat girl in a game world where cat girls are universally loved).

She is innately virtuous (Peace! Love! I will save my people!)

All of her character flaws are especially meaningless. Even those we're told she has are erased with ZERO effort and have no bearing on the story after the first moments.

She is not just a Mary Sue. She is the archetypal example of a Mary Sue. She is more Mary Sue than most Mary Sues.

She most definitely hits more Mary Sue points than not... Just about the only thing that can't be confirmed (or denied) at the present is whether it's one of the writers OC.

[Tethan]

She most definitely hits more Mary Sue points than not... Just about the only thing that can't be confirmed (or denied) at the present is whether it's one of the writers OC.

Newsflash in case you didn't know this, but every single character ever is someone's OC. It's how characters work. They are made up by people.

What makes a Mary Sue bad isn't being an OC, it's not even being a self-insert, it's that they are not compelling as characters, ruin any attempt at a coherent narrative and their mere presence makes other, better characters worse.

When everything in a story is about glorifying your lil precious fave Poochie, nothing can exist outside of that. They really are like black holes.

[Raven2014]

Wuk Lamat is a bad character. But she is not a Mary Sue.
People need to stop using "Mary Sue" to define "character I don't like".

Maybe that's why she's such a bad characters?

From the way Wuk was presented, I don't think the writer intended her to be a Mary Sue. But they were afraid to give her any real character flaw (like the Scions) that all of her supposed flaw are superflous at best. At the same time she's also cuddle with success after success without facing any real failure. Also, a proper Mary Sue usually serve as an inspiration for other flawed character. I felt Wuk was supposed to be one of those "flawed" character that are inspired by Scions given how the story is set up. But again, the writer obsession ended up reverse that role and Wuk literally inspire everyone else with her "love, understanding and friendship" speech, in another word - she is the Mary Sue.

[izumisms]

Wuk is not liked by JP side anymore than our side. I've seen JP say much more vile things about Wuk than anyone has said on these forums/reddit/twitter.

The Wuk dislike is literally just because of her character, not her VA.



Literally who has said this. EVERYONE is saying it's fine to take a step back to not being front and center, but functionally WoL has been erased from the game. Other characters (Erenville/Krile) who were also supposed to be mainlining this expansion were sidelined. Everyone became extras in "Wuk's Grand Adventure".
If the WoL was removed from the story, nothing would change and that's a bad thing no matter which way you spin it. We had less impact on the story than Mablu.

The only people saying this are people like this person using it as a strawman. The WoL took a backseat in HW and SB but it worked better in those expacs, especially HW but it worked in SB too, because the WoL was also on their own journey and was more than a bobble head and the other characters were more than soulless husks of themselves.

[GartredZW]

Wuk is not liked by JP side anymore than our side. I've seen JP say much more vile things about Wuk than anyone has said on these forums/reddit/twitter.

The Wuk dislike is literally just because of her character, not her VA.



Literally who has said this. EVERYONE is saying it's fine to take a step back to not being front and center, but functionally WoL has been erased from the game. Other characters (Erenville/Krile) who were also supposed to be mainlining this expansion were sidelined. Everyone became extras in "Wuk's Grand Adventure".
If the WoL was removed from the story, nothing would change and that's a bad thing no matter which way you spin it. We had less impact on the story than Mablu.

The third trial actually made me really excited for a moment. She basically just tells everyone else (including warrior princess garfield) "shut up, and go away. I'm fighting this one now. He's the main character."
Then who else would show up to ruin it? The mere idea of not being the center of attention gave Lamat the ability to warp reality itself.
but, you know, Endwalker had a moment in the final trial where we get help from friends for the final push, so if we rip that off one to one, it'll be just as good. Right?