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  1. #831
    Player Fourbestintoner's Avatar
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    Melodiane Valerian
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    Black Mage Lv 42
    DT is like a long beast tribe, not missing much.
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  2. #832
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    Hyomin Park
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vhein View Post
    Wuk Lamat is a good character with good char development and really made me enjoy this expansion story more. People need to chill about not being the MC all the time, it's been 10 years of that, can't we enjoy something different for once ?

    Also, what's cringe about her really ? She is a bit naive at first, but then grow to be much more mature and everything, how is that so bad ? Nitpicking at it's finest, people that cringe for that, oof...
    There have been plenty of instances where we weren’t “the main character” or acting like a black hole that sucks any and all importance and relevance from the characters around us. Unlike Wuk Lamat. She is shoved into every aspect of the expansion; including the very end where she deus ex machinas herself into the last trial just because we can’t have a SINGLE MOMENT without her.

    What’s cringe is her constant spouting about peace and love and harmony and friendship. None of these things are bad, but she is constantly preaching about them. Every time she mentioned any of them, I just started rolling my eyes. Like enough already. We get it. You want peace and love and harmony and friendship for all of Tural. I don’t find her any more mature, well-traveled, or see any character growth by the end of the expansion, personally. Everyone keeps bringing up this “character growth” she has, but never actually lists what said growth is. Erenville and Krile had more character growth and progression in the final zone than Wuk Lamat had the entire expansion. Which I don’t think is a good thing.


    And inb4 anyone says “This is the first book in a new series!”, I should haven’t to read a bad Book One to get to a good Book Two. Assuming Book Two is even good. Books should be able to stand on their own and have aspects to each that make them good within the series/arc. If your series/arc doesn’t get good until the second installment, that’s not a good thing. Most people don’t want to sit through a long and arduous slog to get to the “good parts”.
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  3. #833
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    TheDustyOne's Avatar
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    Dusty Two
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReynTime View Post
    ?
    You can control literally anyone in XII. Including the real main character. That's not an absent feature in it.
    To be fair, you can't control Balthier in towns. Game would be too awesome if it did and so it needed nerfing, for our own sakes, probably, maybe.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    And inb4 anyone says “This is the first book in a new series!”, I should haven’t to read a bad Book One to get to a good Book Two. Assuming Book Two is even good. Books should be able to stand on their own and have aspects to each that make them good within the series/arc. If your series/arc doesn’t get good until the second installment, that’s not a good thing. Most people don’t want to sit through a long and arduous slog to get to the “good parts”.
    I don't think people realise just how important first impressions are: the first few pages of a book, the first 5 minutes of a movie, the first 5 minutes of a game, mess that up and people lose interest.

    The first few minutes with Wuk at the end of EW told me she was loud and annoying. The first 5 minutes of DT gives us the shonen cliché of her being sea sick, am I playing FFXIV or watching Fairy Tail? She starts out loud, obnoxious and naive and doesn't stop being loud and obnoxious. Post-EW started making me a story skipper and DT practically forced me into it just to not have to put up with Wuk.
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    Last edited by TheDustyOne; 07-05-2024 at 06:40 AM.

  4. #834
    Player Karious's Avatar
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    Rukoko Ruko
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    Balmung
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Thanks Kate very cool!
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  5. #835
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    GartredZW's Avatar
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    Gartred Runecaster
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner View Post
    DT is like a long beast tribe, not missing much.
    Wow, that's a yikes.
    We call them Allied Societies now
    Honestly, it's 2024. You need to do better.
    (/s in case it wasn't obvious enough.)
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  6. #836
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    EusisLandale's Avatar
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    Eira Landale
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vhein View Post
    Wuk Lamat is a good character with good char development
    She has less depth as a character than Zenos, and he was about as deep as a drying puddle.
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  7. #837
    Player Isala's Avatar
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    Isala Zuntrios
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    Quote Originally Posted by EusisLandale View Post
    She has less depth as a character than Zenos, and he was about as deep as a drying puddle.
    Zenos: "I want to fight the warrior of light!" Everyone: "How are you going to do that, Zenos?" Zenos: "I'm going to stalk them, threaten everyone they care about, and chase them to the ends of the universe until they fight me."

    Wuk: "I want to... um... peace! Yeah. I want peace for my people." Everyone: "How are you going to do that, Wuk?" Wuk: "I don't know, LMAO! Someone tell me what to do, in a way that makes me look like I figured it out myself."
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  8. #838
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    AlucaDragonheart's Avatar
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    Aluca Angelus
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    Thanks Kate very cool!
    Yeah she's definitely Kate's self insert OC lmao
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  9. #839
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    PaleYonder's Avatar
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    Leirios Diateles
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    Phantom
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    It is done! I'm catfree!
    Ending comments:
    I knew about The Trial in theory, and braced myself for the unwelcome guest appearance, but when it happened, it was so much worse than I'd even imagined. It just keeps going on and on! And her and Sphene keep talking over the entire last part of the fight! And then they still keep talking afterwards! We get to make our rare dialogue choice, and otherwise everything is about them, and her, and when they're done talking, that's it for the game, and the ending celebration is still about Wuk Lamat, oh my goodness.
    Erenville, I will adventure with you anytime, it's been a pleasure, kind of the only one on this trainwreck of a journey. Wuk Lamat, no I will not call on you. Please stay out of the patches, provided I'm even still playing by then. I still don't know. This ending left an even sourer taste in my mouth than I thought it would.
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  10. #840
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    Valesti Nibelung
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Zero even with all the fedora tipping at least learned new things and changed as a character. Lamat already knew what she knew and just needed us to be there so she could remember it.
    "Hmm.. I wonder why is ......"
    "Thats right! peace and love"

    Its like when you friend asks you something and then they answer it by themselves 30 seconds later. Funny irl,
    not in game. I want fantasy, I want creative story telling, I want an actual character development considering shes going for the throne. I bet in 9.0 when we see her again shes still going to be afraid of sea or balloon.

    You see, there were also jokes like that about Urianger and Alphi not being able to swim but it was there as a comedic moment NOT as their personality. And thats why its funny.
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