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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    she's a new character. She is presented as young and naive. Over the course of the current MSQ, she is shown as growing into her own, especially the last few quests. She will supposedly be involved in this new arc and is expected to grow fully into a more fleshed out character over the course of the arc. Read a few good books, you'll see what I mean
    I'm a pretty avid reader, but it's kind of poor storytelling if I have to wait for a character to be redeemed and become likeable towards the very end, especially because she played such an enormous role in the MSQ. It's not surprising that people are having a hard time liking a story that revolves around a character that is supposed to be unlikeable until the very end. It would be like the entirety of a Star Wars movie revolving around Jar Jar Binks as the main character with 90% of the screen time, everyone would understandably hate it.

    I don't mind unlikeable characters that grow throughout the story and have character development, I understand that. But you also need to have another character that we the reader/viewer need to relate to and like along the way or you just end up being annoyed that the focus is always on this character you are not even *supposed* to like until the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    I'm a pretty avid reader, but it's kind of poor storytelling if I have to wait for a character to be redeemed and become likeable towards the very end, especially because she played such an enormous role in the MSQ. It's not surprising that people are having a hard time liking a story that revolves around a character that is supposed to be unlikeable until the very end. It would be like the entirety of a Star Wars movie revolving around Jar Jar Binks as the main character with 90% of the screen time, everyone would understandably hate it.

    I don't mind unlikeable characters that grow throughout the story and have character development, I understand that. But you also need to have another character that we the reader/viewer need to relate to and like along the way or you just end up being annoyed that the focus is always on this character you are not even *supposed* to like until the end.
    Yes, exactly. There is a world of difference between a character who is unlikable because they are poorly written (Wuk Lamat) and characters who are unlikable in the context of a well written story (Julian Bashir, Star Trek DS9; Jamie Lannister, Game of Thrones). Unsurprisingly, the well written ones see good, actual character development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    I'm a pretty avid reader, but it's kind of poor storytelling if I have to wait for a character to be redeemed and become likeable towards the very end, especially because she played such an enormous role in the MSQ. It's not surprising that people are having a hard time liking a story that revolves around a character that is supposed to be unlikeable until the very end. It would be like the entirety of a Star Wars movie revolving around Jar Jar Binks as the main character with 90% of the screen time, everyone would understandably hate it.

    I don't mind unlikeable characters that grow throughout the story and have character development, I understand that. But you also need to have another character that we the reader/viewer need to relate to and like along the way or you just end up being annoyed that the focus is always on this character you are not even *supposed* to like until the end.
    I hate to tell you, and I'm not even sure where you got this idea from, but Wuk is supposed to be endearing from the very beginning. You're SUPPOSED to like her, but think that she's not ready for leadership yet. You hating her from the beginning is just you. imo, the writing/cutscenes make that very clear.

    That said, whether or not you feel it works or not is the real question, and obviously it doesn't for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    I hate to tell you, and I'm not even sure where you got this idea from, but Wuk is supposed to be endearing from the very beginning. You're SUPPOSED to like her, but think that she's not ready for leadership yet. You hating her from the beginning is just you. imo, the writing/cutscenes make that very clear.

    That said, whether or not you feel it works or not is the real question, and obviously it doesn't for you.
    That's the thing, I didn't hate her from the beginning, I was completely indifferent to her and had an open mind, and I genuinely did try to like her. But she just isn't likeable, and she's always there, and she doesn't develop into a likeable character. I was waiting for her to fail at some point like Alphinaud and then for me to do a switcheroo on my opinion of her, but it never came. She literally never fails at anything she does, everything she suggests is always 100% perfect outcome regardless of how out of pocket it sounds.
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