Is there a reason why WHM is the weakest healer in all fields?

[CrimsonGunner]

WHM does in the modern game have the strongest MP economy but that’s really not much to leverage at all

In every other facet of healing it’s the weakest option

huh?

even in mp economy it isnt the strongest, not since they changed thin air from shb to ew. in fact id say whm mp management and economy is prob worse then the other healers mp management.

[Supersnow845]

huh?

even in mp economy it isnt the strongest, not since they changed thin air from shb to ew. in fact id say whm mp management and economy is prob worse then the other healers mp management.

WHM has hidden MP management in that every lily is actually a 400 MP refund because it’s a glare that isn’t being cast. So every minute you cast 4 lilys which is a 400 MP refund, then you get one charge of thin air (400 MP) and 1.5 charges of assize (750 MP)

So WHM’s minute per minute MP is 2750 which is the strongest of the healers since they nerfed AST’s

[CrimsonGunner]

Because it would be even less fun to buff the healing even more.

WHM may be the worst healer numbers wise and people say it's plain and boring - but without an overload of off-GCD heals and solutions to every problem it is probably the most fun healer to actually play.
You even can run out of mana if you play messy.

it isn't due to stuff they actually thought out as part of its gameplay but a result of neglect and disjoin patching from the devs.
they haven't really thought about anything that relate to whm gameplay really.

your right that part of the fun is playing with a kit that have its strength and weakness but those aren't a result of proper gameplay they thought. that is how it seems to me.

[CrimsonGunner]

WHM has hidden MP management in that every lily is actually a 400 MP refund because it’s a glare that isn’t being cast. So every minute you cast 4 lilys which is a 400 MP refund, then you get one charge of thin air (400 MP) and 1.5 charges of assize (750 MP)

So WHM’s minute per minute MP is 2750 which is the strongest of the healers since they nerfed AST’s

that is literally grasping straws for whm really... the mp management there is tbh more abysmal then any of the healers you realize it right?

he isn't refunding, you can say saving mp but not refunding. refunding is assize and lucid dreaming that is all.

in fact to prevent him from going mp negative you must cast lily and use thin air or your in a bad spot its why his mp management is the worst then the rest of the healers...

[Supersnow845]

that is literally grasping straws for whm really... the mp management there is tbh more abysmal then any of the healers you realize it right?

he isn't refunding, you can say saving mp but not refunding. refunding is assize and lucid dreaming that is all.

in fact to prevent him from going mp negative you must cast lily and use thin air or your in a bad spot its why his mp management is the worst then the rest of the healers...

I mean that’s a different point, a refund in a situation where you are incredibly low on MP is something that WHM does struggle with but it’s not like SCH and AST are any better as they play the lucid roulette. in terms of your MP economy across an encounter WHM is the strongest because it’s a gain to use lilys, you should be using 4 lilys per minute, if you aren’t you are losing damage healing and mana

SGE is strongest at MP “recovery” as it gives regular refunds but in terms of the balance of your MP WHM is strongest as using a lily is the same thing as getting a 400mp refund

[Connor]

Yoshi-P: “you said you wanted unique class identities, we brought them!
White Mage: the perpetually weak one
Scholar: the ones that’s broken but really sucks to play
Astrologian: the one we keep forgetting is a support and making it White Mage but Stronger (TM)
Sage: The cool-guy dps healer that’s overshadowed by Scholar but is (somewhat) more barely to actually play

This is what you guys wanted, right? Look at those totally unique never before seen new dps abilities they all got!!!”

Source: my dad is SE

[CrimsonGunner]

I mean that’s a different point, a refund in a situation where you are incredibly low on MP is something that WHM does struggle with but it’s not like SCH and AST are any better as they play the lucid roulette. in terms of your MP economy across an encounter WHM is the strongest because it’s a gain to use lilys, you should be using 4 lilys per minute, if you aren’t you are losing damage healing and mana

SGE is strongest at MP “recovery” as it gives regular refunds but in terms of the balance of your MP WHM is strongest as using a lily is the same thing as getting a 400mp refund

your not losing damage that is the point of misery, its dps neutral meaning it equal to 4 cast of glare 3 however without that change, whm did lose cause he used lilies since misery wasnt dps neutral but lower potency compare to 4 casts.

second its not a gain to use lilies without the aspect of actually need to heal but if we do comparison to using healing then whm mp cost is higher then all healers and then you need to compare the use of lilies between that and using a ogcd while the norm is casting gcd every moment in truth you can do ogcd without cast of gcd.

in truth the ogcd of the healers cost them the difference between mp spent on cast dps to the healing gcd and whm is in truth more painful.

when talking about good mp economy and management it means being more easy, efficient and most importantly recoverable.

in truth, whm management is the worst of the 3 cause:

1) his mp costs are higher then the other 3
2) all 3 have better recover then whm
3) technically speaking, using ogcd saves casting healing gcd next so it saved them that mp, so in terms of efficient they are better cause they keep the dmg and saved the diff between dps and heal.
in fact if misery was again overlooked it would be less efficient to use lilies again which may have been since we have glare 4 cant say that for sure.

mp economy whm is not efficient, its not better in fact the other 3 healers have better economy due to lower costs of mp and the ogcd that saves them the healing costs.

this all mp management and economy is also important to note, it wasn't made with direct purpose by the devs actually. it was due to lack of planning and design of his kit...

you want to claim the economy as in terms of saving mp might be higher number i guess it might but it also need to include the fact that whm mp costs are higher then the 3 sadly.
i will repeat what i said, lilies don't refund mp they save mp and even then they don't do it in a good way compare to the ogcd the other 3 haves.

[Supersnow845]

Misery is a gain because you put it under raid buffs, if you aren’t using 4 lilys per minute you are losing damage, that is the long and short of it, I don’t know what else to tell you

WHM having more expensive GCD’s (which it’s only more expensive than AST as SCH is equal in cost and SGE in only a fraction cheaper) isn’t really a factor given how rarely GCD’s are used and if they need to be used in a pinch thin air is a larger gain than anything else (except arguably recitation). in a timeline fight where you plan out your MP WHM is strongest because of its lily’s. All healers struggle with recovery as they lack MP unless their resources are coming off CD almost immediately. Whether the other healers use an oGCD or WHM uses a lily isn’t really relevant to the point. I know you are saying “in a recovery situation WHM actually has to cast something the other healers can use oGCD’s” but in that case WHM’s “oGCD” so to speak is a lily, it doesn’t have to cast any more than the others on that front

In pure maths terms WHM has the strongest economy and all healers suck at recovery is basically the long and short of it

[CrimsonGunner]

Misery is a gain because you put it under raid buffs, if you aren’t using 4 lilys per minute you are losing damage, that is the long and short of it, I don’t know what else to tell you

WHM having more expensive GCD’s (which it’s only more expensive than AST as SCH is equal in cost and SGE in only a fraction cheaper) isn’t really a factor given how rarely GCD’s are used and if they need to be used in a pinch thin air is a larger gain than anything else (except arguably recitation). in a timeline fight where you plan out your MP WHM is strongest because of its lily’s. All healers struggle with recovery as they lack MP unless their resources are coming off CD almost immediately. Whether the other healers use an oGCD or WHM uses a lily isn’t really relevant to the point. I know you are saying “in a recovery situation WHM actually has to cast something the other healers can use oGCD’s” but in that case WHM’s “oGCD” so to speak is a lily, it doesn’t have to cast any more than the others on that front

In pure maths terms WHM has the strongest economy and all healers suck at recovery is basically the long and short of it

lets agree to disagree then and that is that.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

WHM is in desperate need of an overhaul, but bet your ass they'll rush to fix AST, then look to us and say "well, good enough".

It's just really aggravating when the team then goes on and make these fine detail touch ups on the other jobs to bring them up to their peers in the role while it's fine to let WHM drown.

In the past people said it's because WHM is "simple", but what healer job isn't at this point? We all play literally the same yet somehow the balance is so screwed.