Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[SwadTheFrog]

Okay. Considering Im the one who brought it up, and Did indeed mean its wider impact on the game ,and how *This* forum in particular seems to blow things out of proportion rather than how many people did or didn't hear about the strike. After all, I clearly heard about it. That wasn't my point. But You can have the win. it doesnt even matter to my overall point

Mate, stop being delusional, it's not the forum. I've got dozens of friends that play FF14. The vast *majority* of their opinion has been that the story is legitimately bad, and this has never happened beforehand. HW received a bit of criticism, Stormblood received a lot more, SHB almost nothing and Endawlker just a bit. And again, not just my friend group. Look in multiple communities, look in steam reviews, compare these threads to what came beforehand. The story's reception has been decidedly mixed and you literally cannot ignore that as just "muh forums being negative "

Similarly on the Strike thing - I actualy think it's a bit of a nothingburger on the grand scheme of things, but healers *are* generally very mixed on the lack of shakeups for healers. Once more, I've seen tons of people I know actually dropping healer whatsoever. Not because "muh strike", but because it's boring.

[Larom]

Okay. Considering Im the one who brought it up, and Did indeed mean its wider impact on the game ,and how *This* forum in particular seems to blow things out of proportion rather than how many people did or didn't hear about the strike. After all, I clearly heard about it. That wasn't my point. But You can have the win. it doesnt even matter to my overall point

You say "This forum" like there are any other forums that you can actively be in any way critical of XIV, lest you get dogpiled and labeled as a "Toxic hater". .

[HighlanderClone]

You say "This forum" like there are any other forums that you can actively be in any way critical of XIV, lest you get dogpiled and labeled as a "Toxic hater". .

4chan is very critical of the story too, although I'm not sure whether they're actually mad at the story or mad at this "Sweet Baby" thing I keep seeing.

/r/ffxivdiscussion is very critical of the story. You can see it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...iscussion_hub/

/r/ffxiv is also mildly critical of the story, though it's more mixed: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...il_rises_to_a/

/r/MMORPG is critical. https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comm...ting_on_steam/

Steam is mixed. Dawntrail is at 60% right now.

GameFaqs is mixed and leans critical: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards...trail/80799642, https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards...trail/80800359

5ch is very critical: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...dawntrail_msq/ (Although once again it's... 5chan).

Anecdotally I've also seen a lot of criticism in shout chat. On my Discord servers and in-game interactions it's also mixed to lean-critical.

Only Twitter is unabashedly positive about DT.

Here's the thing about people who say only the official forums are critical: they want to gaslight you into believing you are in an echo chamber. When really if you go on all kinds of different discussion hubs like I do you can clearly tell that it's a lie. The reception to this expansion is at best mixed right now. Once Metacritic goes live we'll see even more criticism.

[Ruris]

Another thing is that a lot of critical posts on /r/ffxiv are sitting on 0 votes from early on. Which means they are being downvoted from the get go. Naturally to stifle discussion that would be read as critical. Endwalker was atrocious for this. I'm not as hoodwinked over that expansion as others and reddit users were massively succesful in scrubbing all productive discussion when that released. Just positivity and rainbows all the way. In someway, DT receiving a humbling every where is quite liberating for my feelings on how anyone critical of EW were treated on the subreddit.

[Sonoskay]

Here's the thing about people who say only the official forums are critical: they want to gaslight you into believing you are in an echo chamber. When really if you go on all kinds of different discussion hubs like I do you can clearly tell that it's a lie. The reception to this expansion is at best mixed right now. Once Metacritic goes live we'll see even more criticism.

This is a perfect distillation of why, this has been such a frustrating experience for me.

I haven't even really gotten started on yhe story yet.
I haven't said anything about the expansion being good or bad, or about the validity of the ctitism.

I made comments about a couple people's obvious, seething hatred of a fictional cat, and their utter contempt for people who disagree with them.

Then I get told I'm delusional because someone else brought up expac heat, and I thought it was mostly forum drama (specifically the seething hatred of a fictional cat) and cited another thing that the forum is taking more seriously than the general ff14 playing public does at large, because "lots of people don't like the story and find healer boring to play" despite the fact that I never defended either thing.

Then you come along and talk about gaslighting. And nearly every single person in this thread, has consistently put words in my mouth or build a broader straw man about what I said.

It's fucking *weird* and a real distillation about everything I've been saying.

This will be the last post I make on this thread. I feel like I pushed this more off topic than I intended and honestly, I'm not adding to the conversation anymore. But I have frequented many forums about games, and none have done this, exactly.

It's less about the validity of any paticular opinion, just how wildly defensive the regulars seem to get.

[ZodaSoda]

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Mate i havent even been here but a cursory glance shows me you're now whining about exactly what you did, People have their opinions and you came in here trying to invalidate their opinions as just "Drama, Hatred and just what this forum does" You're welcome to disagree with them, but like the last guy who posted as much as you in defensive an argumentative ways, your opinions are not going to change our opinions.

[Nucah]

[QUOTE=SwadTheFrog;6505486]Wuk's is a terrible, annoying character that is once more the main character of the story - like we didn't *just* do that in the 6.x questlines. But that's not even the only issue. The story itself is also...really poor and badly paced. You really mean to tell me that so many of the not-Vanu-Vanu didn't know that their float was actually ultra-magical focus that fired actual, literal beams of energy out of it's eyes and caused shining rain? But Alphinaud figured it out IMMEDIATELY?

I thought I was the only one that also thought the same thing about the float! Wuk aside, it's writing choices like these that are just immersion breaking and unbelievable. You're telling me that a people that do this festival every year and would see the effects of the festival (including visual) every year just all of a sudden forgot? SE can do better than this and I don't think that's unfair criticism.

[TKOtheKDR]

'marry me and together, we can turn all of tural into a giant safe space'

[TKOtheKDR]

Depends on how JP reacts usually. I don't think devs even care about complaining unless it's JP, even though we are also paying customers.

I hope that's actually true, if it keeps the twisted socio-political themes infecting modern Western entertainment out of FFXIV; however, based on this expansion, that appears to not be the case.

[TKOtheKDR]

Either Remake the Character, better Personality not being an Annoying Zoomer, and get a Voice Actress that knows how to do the Job.
Or get rid of the Character all together in post 7.0 Story. i dont agree that this Furry replaces me the WoL as the Main Character of the Story, dont Start being like World of Warcraft were the WoL is a bystander/Camera man/woman.

The ending Wuk deserves: