Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[TheBlueRogue]

This is pretty much what we are getting

Doing the "City of Silence" quest and I want to stab my head repeatedly with an ice pick.

[Tethan]

What makes the spoiler part worse is that it was shown earlier in game that Koana was in

fact quite popular with the people and then all of a sudden he's on two-heads level of popularity? Wtaf?!

The is zero consistency in the writing. The funniest to me was

Spoilers for 3rd zone:

When Papa Wuk gets kidnapped, seemingly mere seconds after spilling his deepest secrets to us, a random person he just met and we see a lizard hiding. WE do, the player, our WoL has no idea. Yet the kidnappers act like our character knew what had happened for some reason. Do the writers understand the difference between what the character knows and what the audience knows? Did anyone proofread this?

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I started skipping the story after a certain point. The script is so bad it's at a fanfiction level.

As I had feared, Ishikawa's touch was sorely needed to keep the game afloat. It was good as long as it lasted. Time to move on to other games now.

[Sonoskay]

*If you don't like her then just skip the story you paid for*
Again, I think they are only pretending to like her, because of their va or because they are furries. There is actually nothing to like about this character.

This is what you become when you are online too much. you question what people are telling you because you cant agree with them.

lots of people like rouge one. i think its poorly thought out nostalgia bait with a nice 20 minute battle scene at the end. That doesn't mean people are lying when they say they like it. Calm down Bruh.

[EusisLandale]

The is zero consistency in the writing. The funniest to me was

Spoilers for 3rd zone:

When Papa Wuk gets kidnapped, seemingly mere seconds after spilling his deepest secrets to us, a random person he just met and we see a lizard hiding. WE do, the player, our WoL has no idea. Yet the kidnappers act like our character knew what had happened for some reason. Do the writers understand the difference between what the character knows and what the audience knows? Did anyone proofread this?

Well clearly the answer to that is

they were just assuming we saw it through the Echo

Just don't ask about how they know about that.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

This is what you become when you are online too much. you question what people are telling you because you cant agree with them.

lots of people like rouge one. i think its poorly thought out nostalgia bait with a nice 20 minute battle scene at the end. That doesn't mean people are lying when they say they like it. Calm down Bruh.

I mean, pretending to like her is genuinely the lesser evil.

ACTUALLY liking her is far, far more worrying. The person you quoted is actually trying to be nice.

[Rolder50]

The is zero consistency in the writing. The funniest to me was

Spoilers for 3rd zone:

When Papa Wuk gets kidnapped, seemingly mere seconds after spilling his deepest secrets to us, a random person he just met and we see a lizard hiding. WE do, the player, our WoL has no idea. Yet the kidnappers act like our character knew what had happened for some reason. Do the writers understand the difference between what the character knows and what the audience knows? Did anyone proofread this?

I thought this was referring to:

Papa Wuk telling us that he is in fact Papa Wuk, and not the kidnapping. Of course I could be wrong, I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention.

[Sonoskay]

I mean, pretending to like her is genuinely the lesser evil.

ACTUALLY liking her is far, far more worrying. The person you quoted is actually trying to be nice.

No, treating her like she is the worst thing since sliced hitler is whats worrying.
Got a little further, she seems like "lyse done better" to me. Thats not saying much , lyse was terrible. But no. its not reasonable, or charitable to tell every person who says they like wuk gets some sexual kick out of it. Its "Cringe" and really weird to say it is.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

No, treating her like she is the worst thing since sliced hitler is whats worrying.
Got a little further, she seems like "lyse done better" to me. Thats not saying much , lyse was terrible. But no. its not reasonable, or charitable to tell every person who says they like wuk gets some sexual kick out of it. Its "Cringe" and really weird to say it is.

I don't think being vocal about how disappointed we are after ShB and EW is "worrying". FF14 always excelled in its story. This time, it fell flat. Some people may still like it, but some people like all sorts of weird stuff so that's not really a valid argument. Reviews on Steam are quite bad exactly because of this character, as well as the script and MSQ pace as a whole.

Also, I still don't think the person you quoted was being mean. They were just being honest. Realistically, there are only three situations under which someone may like Wuk Lamat:

1) They know nothing about good writing;
2) They are delusional;
3) Furries.

[Loggos]

snip

Yep, said it perfectly.

He sacrificed his own chances of winning FOR HER and at the ascension ceremony this game has the GALL to act like... like he should so grateful for his dear, generous sister giving him this opportunity he clearly doesn't deserve. Watching that crowd dote on Wuk while hemming and hawing at the thought of him being co-leader... was gross. Gross, gross writing. And of course it was HER idea, this incredibly obvious solution of co-leading. Only Wuk Lamat, the kindest, most generous, peacefulest person ever, could come up with this idea.

This part angered me so much as well, especially in the context of what had conspired just before that. I just couldn't believe it.

(Spoiler 7th keystone challenge)

They clearly solved the problem together, each bringing their respective strength to the table. Without Wuk they wouldn't have been able to talk to the villagers and figure out the problem but it was Koana who actualls solved it with his science.

His contribution was in no way inferior and yet what he took from the events was that Wuk is "clearly superior and more fit to rule", even though without him she'd have failed just as hard as he would have without her.

The villagers wouldn't have put any trust in her words when they returned, if he hadn't come up with a solution to the soil problem.

So it was not only really disappointing that the villagers' praise wasn't given to both of them, but also that the narrative didn't question his giving up at all. Nobody of the cast encouraged him or told him his efforts were worth just as much.

We were just left with the message that his forfeiting was clearly the right choice.

I would have respected it if it was purely tactical to defeat the shade. As in: both are equally acknowledged but they know in order to beat the trial one of them has to give up so they can join forces. And then they could have decided that she has higher chances of winning because the WoL's on her side or something but they'd have agreed here and there (in a Meaningful Cutscene(TM)) they'll rule together as siblings.

It really bothered me how the narrative constantly dunked on the idea of advancement being inherently worse than "uniting the people with friendship" and keeping traditions.

Ironically in the Wild West themed world, when you visit the Miqo'te tribe, they have a short but much more nuanced and mature discussion of this topic than Wuk Lamat ever had during her whole arc.

Granted, after Koana has learned his lesson the benefits of his science are acknowledged and his speech about progress while preserving cultural heritage is good character growth.

But he was one side of the coin: good at one thing (science), blind to the other (people). Wuk was the opposite: blind to science, good at people. Both are needed for a good rule (which luckily is the story's conclusion at least).

But imo this means Wuk should also have had the same reality check that Koana needed, only in reverse.

Because in the end, her ideals couldn't protect the people against every threat. If all people stood together in harmony that wouldn't magically equip them with tools to defend themselves against all kinds of enemies, as the story literally shows later on. It's Koana's science that's used for defenses.

If the story had given both of them equal learning moments and led them together like that, their dynamic would have been much more enjoyable, while giving Wuk so much more depth.

But this insistence that "happy people" >>>>> "everything else, no matter how reasonable" bolstered by insipid platitudes really killed her characterisation.