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  1. #301
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    Having played past the...

    inevitable mid-story twist


    I can easily say, don't believe all you read on the internet. Play for yourself before you let yourself be unduly influenced. Some of the things I was reading on this forum had me worried, but I'm glad to see this is perfectly in line with most Final Fantasy games.

    Now, it's obvious to me that some either played a different game from the one I'm playing, or are simply distorting reality for the sake of painting Dawntrail in an undeservedly negative light, likely because their hatred for a single character makes them lose every semblance of nuance in their judgment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Having played past the...

    inevitable mid-story twist


    I can easily say, don't believe all you read on the internet. Play for yourself before you let yourself be unduly influenced. Some of the things I was reading on this forum had me worried, but I'm glad to see this is perfectly in line with most Final Fantasy games.

    Now, it's obvious to me that some either played a different game from the one I'm playing, or are simply distorting reality for the sake of painting Dawntrail in an undeservedly negative light, likely because their hatred for a single character makes them lose every semblance of nuance in their judgment.
    Yes, the part where... LEVEL 87 SPOILERS!

    the lizard enters an interdimensional portal that COINCIDENTALLY holds the weapons of mass destruction he needs to steal the throne because... Well because he's evil...


    is the real turning point where the writing got good. Everyone that didn't think that part was a stroke of pure genius obviously is DISTORTING REALITY to not enjoy themselves.

    Edit: Oh apparently I've reached the posting limit! I see your replies and will post my responses when I can!
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    Last edited by SirShady; 07-01-2024 at 08:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    I also didn't like the huge amount of focus on her but at the same time, the expansion is almost entirely based on her. So for the story itself to be centered around and what she does kinda makes sense. Think of the other times this has happened. Estinien, Minfilia, etc were all a huge focus at one point, so for this expansion, which takes place on her island where she is supposed to take over as ruler, it is perfectly reasonable to revolve around her.
    And that's the issue, the expansion is centered around her. It should have been more about the looming inner turmoil of a nation with an aging ruler whose ability to govern is diminishing, and whom has no worthy successor to take their place. The WoL should be taking more of a front seat in the story to witnessing this gradual decline as the current ruler is slipping in his ability to keep charge of his kingdom. Instead the WoL is left in the shadow while an aggressively mediocre character takes center stage.

    As for Estinien, Minfilia, well they're simply better written characters. And more importantly, as critical as they were to their respective expansions, they weren't constantly stealing focus away from the WoL at every turn.
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    She is so goddamn predictable and her '' character development '' is laughable.

    Does she gain an undeserved, unexplainable power up because the rival who she formerly couldn't even lay her hands on, threatens to kill someone she cares about? Absolutely.

    Does a tragic event cause her to doubt herself and get in over her head, and a pep talk from Alisaie and the WoL about '' now is not the time to sulk '' fixes everything? Absolutely.

    And if you are mad that I spoiled her character development, well... that's on you, because this was the most predictable nonsense ever. Actually, let me take that back, it wasn't predictable because my expectations were higher than this, so I couldn't predict them doing something so goddamn trite. So sorry for spoiling it for you :c
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  5. #305
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    Oh I'll give you the whole "friendship is power" bs is dull, cringey and severely outdated. This isn't 2004 Yugioh anymore. BUT again, this is the expansion where you're essentially helping her take over as ruler of her island where her father currently rules. We've not really encountered something quite like this in the story up to this point.
    You're right! It isn't! Which is why it pains me to see it executed so poorly! If Wuk Lamat was a more endearing character and shared her screentime more, I'd be having a lot better time with this expansion.
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  6. #306
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirShady View Post
    is the real turning point where the writing got good. Everyone that didn't think that part was a stroke of pure genius obviously is DISTORTING REALITY to not enjoy themselves.
    I could pull the same trick you just did for literally every Final Fantasy game ever released and for every FFXIV (and FFXI) expansion so far.

    It's incredibly easy to disingenuously oversimplify a story to make it sound worse than it is, and having seen your other posts, disingenuity for the sake of supporting a false point is indeed my probable explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    And that's the issue, the expansion is centered around her. It should have been more about the looming inner turmoil of a nation with an aging ruler whose ability to govern is diminishing, and whom has no worthy successor to take their place. The WoL should be taking more of a front seat in the story to witnessing this gradual decline as the current ruler is slipping in his ability to keep charge of his kingdom. Instead the WoL is left in the shadow while an aggressively mediocre character takes center stage.

    As for Estinien, Minfilia, well they're simply better written characters. And more importantly, as critical as they were to their respective expansions, they weren't constantly stealing focus away from the WoL at every turn.
    That's the thing though, this is an entirely new continent that doesn't trade much with foreign lands, so the WoL isn't well known there. WoL isn't the huge hero that everyone bows down to as soon as they walk in the room. Lamat, however, IS well known, well liked and many people of the island view her as their future ruler. So SHE DOES have the spotlight. The expansion isn't about WoL. It's about Lamat. We just make sure things go well. We are not a "hero" here. We are "strong friends."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    I do not understand who thought forcing you to travel with a fem roth who has the mentality of a teenager was a good idea. There are key story points where she literally just wonders off while key plot points are left hanging.

    This character is just bad writing. She has no business traveling with you as long as she does. I can name so many annoyances with this character but she is naive in ways that are hard to describe.
    Lyse at least knew to back off from the story on occasion to let other characters have the spotlight.
    Wuk Lamat is the only one who can actually get things done, in-universe. Which just shows that the writers were more focused on writing their story than writing a game's story. That's one thing that Ishikawa does better than any other writer I've seen, and I'd attribute that as the biggest reason Shadowbringers and Endwalker are so beloved.
    My character doesn't feel like my own any more. If I could actually control him, I'd have left Wuk Lamat to go help Koana with his development.
    That could have actually been interesting, if you play both sides of the conflict. Only there to see the world, and it's wonders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirShady View Post
    Yes, the part where...

    the lizard enters an interdimensional portal that COINCIDENTLY holds the weapons of mass destruction he needs to steal the throne because... Well because he's evil...


    is the real turning point where the writing got good. Everyone that didn't think that part was a stroke of pure genius obviously is DISTORTING REALITY to not enjoy themselves.
    To be fair,
    Zoraal does know the Golden City holds immense power to shape reality, as Sareel tells him much earlier. He's also certainly just aware of the potential given the lengths his father went to to seal off the Golden City, and the stories from the giants. So it's not exactly coincidental. Sphene also did say the tech was adapted to war after their agreement, so it's not like the death army was sitting there entirely. We're told many times there was a huge shift in production of war machines, and the 8-man raid was closed off to fuel Zoraal's war efforts. Plus it's been 30 years, that's a long time in a technologically advanced society.

    As for him doing it because he's evil, we're shown he's got major daddy issues and a severe inferiority complex, which is only exacerbated when our team succeeds after he fails. Plus he has an... admittedly very stupid "peace for everyone by making everyone suffer" view on global politics. I do wish they went into where he got that idea beyond "well Tural was suffering from war, and then Dad stopped it, and now people are happy.. so 'War -> not war -> happiness'!" It's very dumb. They could have spent some time going into it but... they didn't. They might in the future but that doesn't solve the issue now.

    Then yeah at the end his motivation, probably after 30 years of stewing in his own emotions, shifted to feeling like his father screwed him out of inheritance. Which is a pretty major shift to happen off-screen.

    Edit - It's Sareel Ja, not Seraal Ja.
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    Last edited by Powercow; 07-01-2024 at 11:42 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    That's the thing though, this is an entirely new continent that doesn't trade much with foreign lands, so the WoL isn't well known there. WoL isn't the huge hero that everyone bows down to as soon as they walk in the room. Lamat, however, IS well known, well liked and many people of the island view her as their future ruler. So SHE DOES have the spotlight. The expansion isn't about WoL. It's about Lamat. We just make sure things go well. We are not a "hero" here. We are "strong friends."
    Yeah but for a game where we play as the WoL it's makes for a extremely grating play experiance and the friendship is extremely forced and as this and a lot of places show a lot of people do not find her likeable
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