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  1. #301
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonoki View Post
    Feeling dissatisfaction with content creators followed by a Twitch viewer rewards program immediately feels like a slap in the face.
    Tbh it was probably planned for a long time before this thread was created in order to finally give EU the region locked mount we've not been able to obtain, but thanks to some of the idiotic takes we've seen from content creators in the past week it will be fairly easy to determine which streams to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonoki View Post
    Feeling dissatisfaction with content creators followed by a Twitch viewer rewards program immediately feels like a slap in the face.
    Oh yes, because they definitely planned this particular promo with Twitch JUST to strike back at the upset healers in this post.
    FFS, these types of promos are planned months and months in advance. I guarantee the marketing team had zero clue at the start of this year that healers would throw an epic temper tantrum 2 weeks before the launch of dawntrail over a leveling dungeon clear on a beta test build of the expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    Oh yes, because they definitely planned this particular promo with Twitch JUST to strike back at the upset healers in this post.
    FFS, these types of promos are planned months and months in advance. I guarantee the marketing team had zero clue at the start of this year that healers would throw an epic temper tantrum 2 weeks before the launch of dawntrail over a leveling dungeon clear on a beta test build of the expansion.
    You may well understand how marketing campaigns are planned, however you have close to zero clue concerning this healer strike if you've reduced it to this comment.
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  4. #304
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    You may well understand how marketing campaigns are planned, however you have close to zero clue concerning this healer strike if you've reduced it to this comment.
    Considering i've followed this since it started and it ballooned to almost 500 pages doesn't mean I have zero clue. This is how I perceive the overall behavior of the majority of the people participating in this thread. And I'm a healer main myself. I've been playing the game for 10 years and I have seen the evolution of the healer come to what it is because of the devs responding directly to the majority of healers that said healing was too hard. Now its easy and now a vocal minority is throwing a fit before a launch because of a BETA TEST DUNGEON CLEAR. For all you know you will bust up in there on launch to find the difficulty HAS been turned up and that tanks are absolute paper during the trash pulls just like it was in shadowbringers in Holminster Switch. This "strike" is jumping the gun and is absolutely ridiculous as a whole. And then to have someone insinuate that a twitch promo was planned specifically to push back at the minority striking is just further proof how selfcentered this entire "strike" is to think they are so important to drive a marketing campaign to "slap them in the face"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capstone View Post
    Tl;dr malding that it's perfectly reasonable to devalue the opinions of people who don't actually play the content that's in the game.

    I play like maybe one game of chess a year. I know some of the lingo but don't have more than 3 moves of opening theory memorized and often miss key strategic ideas and even simple tactics. Do you really want my opinion on chess? Do you really think anyone should take that feedback seriously? If you were a high-level tournament or titled player how would you feel if you saw some echo chamber of generally low-skill players complaining about issues that aren't really issues (knights are op pls nerf!), when there are actual problems out there (so-called "grandmaster's draws" are unhealthy for the growth and visibility of the game).
    Really bad comparison. XIV fights vs chess against another human who is possibly an expert? Yeah I may not ask for your opinion. That said, what I can do is go online and educate myself about it. I can do that for XIV too to be fair. But XIV is still going to be much more predictable.
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  6. #306
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    but thanks to some of the idiotic takes we've seen from content creators in the past week it will be fairly easy to determine which streams to watch.
    Yes, that's the one good thing about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    Considering i've followed this since it started and it ballooned to almost 500 pages doesn't mean I have zero clue. This is how I perceive the overall behavior of the majority of the people participating in this thread. And I'm a healer main myself. I've been playing the game for 10 years and I have seen the evolution of the healer come to what it is because of the devs responding directly to the majority of healers that said healing was too hard. Now its easy and now a vocal minority is throwing a fit before a launch because of a BETA TEST DUNGEON CLEAR. For all you know you will bust up in there on launch to find the difficulty HAS been turned up and that tanks are absolute paper during the trash pulls just like it was in shadowbringers in Holminster Switch. This "strike" is jumping the gun and is absolutely ridiculous as a whole. And then to have someone insinuate that a twitch promo was planned specifically to push back at the minority striking is just further proof how selfcentered this entire "strike" is to think they are so important to drive a marketing campaign to "slap them in the face"
    You have no evidence that the majority said it was too hard and now a minority said it is too easy.

    In fact, just looking at the forums, there has never been a healer thread that has garnered so many likes as the Ultimate healing thread and the strike thread.

    And the forums are actually representative - see the calculations done by hunter2.
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  8. #308
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    You have no evidence that the majority said it was too hard and now a minority said it is too easy.

    In fact, just looking at the forums, there has never been a healer thread that has garnered so many likes as the Ultimate healing thread and the strike thread.

    And the forums are actually representative - see the calculations done by hunter2.
    omg, that tells me that you have not been around that long and did not experience cleric stance dancing healing at ALL. Yes, there was a large chunk of players that cried that healing was too hard and that it gated healing to only the most skilled of players due to the expecation that they heal AND dps but to be effective at DPS they had to turn a stance off and on to properly put out damage. The devs responded and removed stances in Stormblood. And yet there was still ever the "healers should heal and not dps" crowd. So then guess what, they yanked off most of their dps buttons to force healers to focus on healing. BUT also they wanted to make the casual player crowd happy so that story content didn't get TOTALLY blocked by difficult instances (The OG Steps of Faith was absolutely brutal and very few duty finder groups could clear that Trial when it was still a Trial due to how much HP the giant dragon had before they nerfed it to an insane degree) and still play the story, so they turned down the difficulty of all those contents, made dungeons easier, started forcing level syncs to max ilvl undergeared players in end game instances that were story based and this is how healers go to where they were. And the Devs ARE aware, quotes from YoshiP floating in several of these threads show he knows what's up and said its not going to change. We even have japanese players in the main thread saying they are not on board with this idea of a healer strike and healers are fine and go play another job if you don't like it. These changes absolutely were driven by player feedback and the FORUMS are not the only source of player feedback as MOST of the player base discusses the game in Twitch/youtube, Reddit, discord servers and facebook/X posts. In fact an insanely SMALL number of players use these forums that its laughable they would be considered a true represenative of the majority of the player base.
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    Last edited by KitiaraIornsight; 06-25-2024 at 12:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    Oh yes, because they definitely planned this particular promo with Twitch JUST to strike back at the upset healers in this post.
    FFS, these types of promos are planned months and months in advance. I guarantee the marketing team had zero clue at the start of this year that healers would throw an epic temper tantrum 2 weeks before the launch of dawntrail over a leveling dungeon clear on a beta test build of the expansion.
    I understand how marketing and planning work very well. I'm not naive or clueless. However, that doesn't make the inconvenient timing any less awkward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonoki View Post
    I understand how marketing and planning work very well. I'm not naive or clueless. However, that doesn't make the inconvenient timing any less awkward.
    Its not awkward because they aren't even paying attention at this point otherwise it would have been addressed by the Dev team already.
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