Content creator irresponsibility in covering #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Akonyl]

I wasn't going to name names but enough is enough.

The people who started the "us vs them" thing are the content creators. Not people in the healer strike thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TifoCT5OD3s&t=1018s

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https://youtu.be/TifoCT5OD3s?si=3ULnsbdw9s5svkX6&t=996



https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170924009?t=00h34m30s

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170924009?t=00h38m14s

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To be clear, this isn't the only content creator doing this. I will link more examples if I have the time.

The difference here is that this isn't "us vs them" in the same way. It's just the content creators not agreeing with your points, potentially in a bit of a mean way, and frankly bringing up what people have/haven't cleared *is* valid criticism, because if you want harder content, you should try harder content. I know plenty of healers who think dungeon content is at a good difficulty as it is now. If you don't think it is, then maybe you should try extreme, or savage, or ult. Nobody looks to normal dungeon content as a sign of what is or isn't balanced in the game.

Willem's post though was in turn a response to my post about Shadowyzero's post, which was literally based on fabrication. "Content creators are in the pocket of SE because they don't say anything bad about the game" is patently ridiculous. Heck, Zepla literally made an entire vid about how much she hated Endwalker (which people joked about being enough to keep her out of the media tour) and she still ended up in the media tour.

Frankly, some of the healer strike points are good, and I could see them benefitting healer players in the long run. But the moment it started being "us vs them" wasn't content creators vs you, it was when the healerstrikers decided they were important enough to hold the playerbase hostage. Luckily though, this isn't actually enough of a thing to actually manage anything of the sort.

[HighlanderClone]

The difference here is that this isn't "us vs them" in the same way. It's just the content creators not agreeing with your points, potentially in a bit of a mean way, and frankly bringing up what people have/haven't cleared *is* valid criticism, because if you want harder content, you should try harder content. I know plenty of healers who think dungeon content is at a good difficulty as it is now. If you don't think it is, then maybe you should try extreme, or savage, or ult. Nobody looks to normal dungeon content as a sign of what is or isn't balanced in the game.

Let's just put all the toxicity aside first. You can't make valid criticism when you haven't even read the posts.

Yes, I'm talking about both you and the content creators.

There is no "us vs them" here when it comes to criticism because "them", the content creators, are criticizing a non-existent entity.

I encourage you to re-read the OP before you embarrass yourself any further. Especially when you are one of the very people spreading and supporting this log-shaming harassment.

[Akonyl]

You can't make valid criticism when you haven't even read the posts.

Yes, I'm talking about both you and the content creators.

There is no "us vs them" here when it comes to criticism because "them", the content creators, are criticizing a non-existent entity.

I encourage you to re-read the OP before you embarrass yourself any further.

My point is that the original "us vs them" wasn't "them" as the content creators, it was "them" as the rest of the non-healer role players. As you assume I haven't read the posts in the main topic, I assume you haven't read the post you just quoted (and conveniently snipped the rest of).

[PercibelTheren]

I wasn't going to name names but enough is enough.

The people who started the "us vs them" thing are the content creators. Not people in the healer strike thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TifoCT5OD3s&t=1018s

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https://youtu.be/TifoCT5OD3s?si=3ULnsbdw9s5svkX6&t=996



https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170924009?t=00h34m30s

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170924009?t=00h38m14s

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To be clear, this isn't the only content creator doing this. I will link more examples if I have the time.

OK, this is actually horrible. Disagreeing about the state of healers is fine. Insulting people like this, though? It's gross. And their fanbase eats if up, which is even worse.

[HighlanderClone]

The difference here is that this isn't "us vs them" in the same way. It's just the content creators not agreeing with your points.

My point is that the original "us vs them" wasn't "them" as the content creators.

I do apologize. I wasn't aware that we're playing a game of spitting out nonsense and contradicting ourselves mere minutes later.

Sorry about that. Here's my move: Fhoriwc8efbksifieieifb8ejejfioooeij8iefjjsjejfnnfwokzkvjeiirjgwofkvnierk

[Saraide]

I've seen it a bunch of times already where people would kinda agree that healers are boring af but they turn around specifically because the OP of the healerstrike thread has bad logs. Parse brain rot has thoroughly infested those CC communities, which is especially weird in xeno's community because in his previous drama arc he clowned all over a guy who tried to do exactly that: dismiss someone's post specifically because of bad logs.

[Akonyl]

I do apologize. I wasn't aware that we're playing a game of spitting out nonsense and contradicting ourselves mere minutes later.

Sorry about that. Here's my move: Fhoriwc8efbksifieieifb8ejejfioooeij8iefjjsjejfnnfwokzkvjeiirjgwofkvnierk

These are separate points. I'm sorry about your reading comprehension.

[HighlanderClone]

These are separate points. I'm sorry about your reading comprehension.

I'm not sure anyone can comprehend nonsense and self-contradictions.

[PercibelTheren]

I've seen it a bunch of times already where people would kinda agree that healers are boring af but they turn around specifically because the OP of the healerstrike thread has bad logs. Parse brain rot has thoroughly infested those CC communities, which is especially weird in xeno's community because in his previous drama arc he clowned all over a guy who tried to do exactly that: dismiss someone's post specifically because of bad logs.

This is why I'm extremely happy that parsers are not an official part of the game. This way, it keeps them somewhat in check because a lot of people either don't care or they are too lazy to go through installing them. I just wish they weren't an opt-out system where all it takes is one person in the group using them and suddenly, your logs are out there for everyone to see. I don't care if I parse grey, long as I clear the content, but it's happened to me multiple times that people decided to look me up and be jerks about it.

[Eorzean_username]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TifoCT5OD3s&t=836s

So just as one example of how much bafflingly-unintelligent hot-air these melodramatic responses are, just take this snippet from Sfia:

(Slightly-distorted in sections, because I'm not taking time out of my day to actually transcribe this manually, just pulling it from YouTube Auto-CC)

sorry yeah someone else so I talked a bit about it in pre-show but the craziest thing to me is that this is where the Healer strike, like this is where they draw the line in the sand... the single leveling dungeon without aering top being expansion this expansion everything's Rel they did what is widely regarded as the hardest piece of content the game has ever had without healers but no we really care about this dungeon experience

okay you can say they engage with that more but like if you're going to complain complain about the thing that is the most polarizing and how difficult it is with and without mm there are like sentiments that I can kind of you're uper exist most think your can be done without you being there your like identity and your class fantasy can't be that strong

like imagine imagine you could do all fights without any DPS because tanks and healers just did enough damage you be like oh why am I playing a DPS right like my my Niche my wheelhouse isn't being rewarded or if all of the Busters in the game could just be taken by DPS he'd be like playing a tank feels like [ __ ] or all the threat could be managed by DPS You' say the same thing

if they were complaining about that then I'd feel like oh this makes sense but they just like no we can do dungeons without healers and they're not even talking about what that means they're just angry about the fact that you can do it it's it's so like shortsighted and so like undercooked it just it makes me really [ __ ] mad think about guys

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(*looks at actual content of Healer Strike Thread and the back-and-forth conversations and summaries there*)

(*sees all of these exact points addressed, directly, over and over again*)

(*sees scores of Healers clearly-stating that the Xenos Media Tour stunt was just another straw on the camel's back, and not the sole issue in and of itself, but rather a succinct manifestation of many overall problems*)

...Right, so let me get this straight.

Sfia's an educated and obviously-intelligent man, clearly capable of understanding this if he wanted to, or attempted to. But he obviously didn't.

So if I'm understanding this correctly:

1. Gemina's displeasure with her experience as Healer in what used to be "casual challenge" content is being derided as invalid, because she hasn't surveyed the entire game's spectrum of possible experiences.
2. 4 slouching dudes in gaming chairs's displeasure with the Healer protest should be accepted as valid, despite the fact that they haven't even bothered to survey the entire thread's spectrum of arguments and explanations, or even understand what's actually being said.

So, uhm, which is it?

Someone needs to fully-explore and engage with something before they can be accepted as validly criticising it?

Or it's actually okay to just skim the surface to save time, and then righteously go-off as if you fully-understand it?