Can we have an honest conversation about the Scions? Dawn Trail

[Ayalu]

Early on i noticed that they played this new expansion super safe where i would have liked a timeskip to get a Adult Twins, still a great symbol for a new age, and the retirement of a few scions. I mostly think of the old guard with Yshtola, Thancred and Uriange.
And refill it with new Characters. A few of my FC Mates wanted Zero as new Scion but predicted back then that while the chance is there its unlikely, my prediction was right.

There was no time skip or anything, all the scions are back on board, no gameplay shake ups in general super safe and sadly rather bland impression of the first expansion after the finished Saga.

Just to be clear i like the Scions but "Everything stays the same" and "new beginning" doesnt go hand in hand.

[Rekh]

Early on i noticed that they played this new expansion super safe where i would have liked a timeskip to get a Adult Twins, still a great symbol for a new age, and the retirement of a few scions. I mostly think of the old guard with Yshtola, Thancred and Uriange.
And refill it with new Characters. A few of my FC Mates wanted Zero as new Scion but predicted back then that while the chance is there its unlikely, my prediction was right.

There was no time skip or anything, all the scions are back on board, no gameplay shake ups in general super safe and sadly rather bland impression of the first expansion after the finished Saga.

Just to be clear i like the Scions but "Everything stays the same" and "new beginning" doesnt go hand in hand.

Would hate to see old Y'shtola; keep time skips to anime.
Just dismiss half of the scions and introduce new characters and that's already a "new beginning." Instead we get them all back; a lot of us could care less about them at this point. Square enix doesn't seem to understand the words nuance, balance, and variety. When they go for something it's either one extreme or the other.

[Carin-Eri]

Would hate to see old Y'shtola; keep time skips to anime.
Just dismiss half of the scions and introduce new characters and that's already a "new beginning." Instead we get them all back; a lot of us could care less about them at this point. Square enix doesn't seem to understand the words nuance, balance, and variety. When they go for something it's either one extreme or the other.

I doubt we'd notice much difference in Y'shtola's case. I mean, she's given the approximate age of 32 in lore, which makes her younger than F'lhaminn, who is 37 and certainly doesn't look* much older than Y'stola.

*not counting the fact that she dresses in a way that gives the impression that she's older than she actually is.

[PintyMcEars]

Would hate to see old Y'shtola; keep time skips to anime.
Just dismiss half of the scions and introduce new characters and that's already a "new beginning." Instead we get them all back; a lot of us could care less about them at this point. Square enix doesn't seem to understand the words nuance, balance, and variety. When they go for something it's either one extreme or the other.

couldn't care less, you mean.

[DPZ2]

doesn't seem to understand the words nuance, balance, and variety. When they go for something it's either one extreme or the other.

Welcome to MMORPGs! Persistent worlds, with continuing characters are part of the plan. It took WoW nearly 20 years to finally sideline one of its major characters (she's gone, right? not just 'redeemed'?)

In an MMORPG, you get introduced to new characters every expansion. Some stick around forever, some are gone after only, what, three expansions (*cough*Zenos*cough*). In other cases, you'll run into the same NPCs, with the same questlines for eternity [New game+ anyone?].

[Fawkes]

Welcome to MMORPGs! Persistent worlds, with continuing characters are part of the plan. It took WoW nearly 20 years to finally sideline one of its major characters (she's gone, right? not just 'redeemed'?)

In an MMORPG, you get introduced to new characters every expansion. Some stick around forever, some are gone after only, what, three expansions (*cough*Zenos*cough*). In other cases, you'll run into the same NPCs, with the same questlines for eternity [New game+ anyone?].

A decent amount of XIV players originally came from XI, which typically didn't bring any characters into expansions and mostly introduced new characters in new lands that are only part of that expansion's story. You'd occasionally get stuff like Shantotto showing up at the Shararat Teahouse in a patch but she didn't stick around.

Going to the new world especially seemed like a great time to bench some Scions, even if only temporarily.

[Ayalu]

I didnt meant a huge time skip. Maybe a 2 years enough to for the twins to get a growth spurt and some time passing.
Outside of the twins i doubt anyone actualy would change visibly within the scions.

[PintyMcEars]

I didnt meant a huge time skip. Maybe a 2 years enough to for the twins to get a growth spurt and some time passing.
Outside of the twins i doubt anyone actualy would change visibly within the scions.

time skip would be nice