Healer's strike answer and Tank identity

[Loggos]

As a BRD main, I don't want BRD to be moved to a 'support' role. It uses a bow, and has too many archer mechanics that I would not want to give up. Let it be a DPS. Like yeah, it should have buffs, and some utility, but if PCT can paint cartoons for damage then BRD should have no problem using music for damage as well.

Aside from that, I do mostly agree that healers could be re-contextualized as 'supports' to some degree. And gonna share this thought again, but I think tanks should have the ability to be incredibly sturdy, but their reliance on self healing is overused, and I think I would rather they have stronger active shielding, and mitigation to achieve their sturdiness. Yeah, there is some overstepping with some DPS jobs, but most of the gameplay problems lie with the tanks, and healers, and how they interact with each other, and how they interact with fights.

Maybe moving healers into the support role could be done together with moving ranged phys DPS further into the DPS space?

This would mean they'd have to step away (at least to a degree) from their current support identity and leave the biggest chunk of it with healers.
But on the other hand it might allow them to get some fresh and unique DPS rotations.
I agree with the picto comparison. I think they can retain a few supplementary support skills but it wouldn't be their main responsibility anymore and their skills wouldn't (be able to) compete with those of the support role.

[Xerkrosis]

For tanks, it'd be great if the tank busters were changed to cleaves. So many tank busters now are just single target hits. In other MMOs I know them to not only hit hard, but also make sense why you have the tank turn the boss away from the party. And those hard hitting cleaves, which instantly kill any non-tanks, aren't neccessarily announced by big flashing circles. There is a reason why a tank has big defense and a big HP pool: To lure those party-wipers away and face them alone. This is also one of the moments the heal has to step in and heal the tank up. Not, like SE's favourite god-class warrior, patch itself back up.

[Tunda]

Maybe moving healers into the support role could be done together with moving ranged phys DPS further into the DPS space?

This would mean they'd have to step away (at least to a degree) from their current support identity and leave the biggest chunk of it with healers.
But on the other hand it might allow them to get some fresh and unique DPS rotations.
I agree with the picto comparison. I think they can retain a few supplementary support skills but it wouldn't be their main responsibility anymore and their skills wouldn't (be able to) compete with those of the support role.

Bard is more support than ever.. I would love to play bard if I can get instant queue and give an actual identity.. game could just add Hunter class which use bow as a dps range.. but bard is always a support class in every game or fantasy

[Connor]

Bard is more support than ever.. I would love to play bard if I can get instant queue and give an actual identity.. game could just add Hunter class which use bow as a dps range.. but bard is always a support class in every game or fantasy

To add to this, in the context of Final Fantasy Bards have always been pure support jobs that assist the party with buffs and healing (usually regen), so in the grand scheme of things there’s more precedent for the job to be a healer (and essentially none for it to be an archer).

That said, short of someone going back in time and giving whoever decided to mash Bard and Archer/Ranger together a good shake, I don’t sadly think anything will ever be done about it

[Tunda]

DPS and Tanks need to be more responsible about their missing a mechanic or getting damage.. healer shouldn't be a baby sitter.. healer should be a support who manage team buffs and provide utility to the team

[Tunda]

To add to this, in the context of Final Fantasy Bards have always been pure support jobs that assist the party with buffs and healing (usually regen), so in the grand scheme of things there’s more precedent for the job to be a healer (and essentially none for it to be an archer).

That said, short of someone going back in time and giving whoever decided to mash Bard and Archer/Ranger together a good shake, I don’t sadly think anything will ever be done about it

I think what they should do they should add a new job.. that have the same idea of summoner and scholar.. which is bard and ranger.. you can level both of them at the same type: one is support(healer) and other is pure range DPS like Machinist.
it is also very clear that dancer is not an actual DPS job is it clearly a support with DPS kit.. so it is fitting really good with support role

[Tunda]

For tanks, it'd be great if the tank busters were changed to cleaves. So many tank busters now are just single target hits. In other MMOs I know them to not only hit hard, but also make sense why you have the tank turn the boss away from the party. And those hard hitting cleaves, which instantly kill any non-tanks, aren't neccessarily announced by big flashing circles. There is a reason why a tank has big defense and a big HP pool: To lure those party-wipers away and face them alone. This is also one of the moments the heal has to step in and heal the tank up. Not, like SE's favourite god-class warrior, patch itself back up.

I believe that no one will disagree with tank buster + tank role changes .. but Square enix wont change warrior to have less heals or paladin having less block so healers can heal.. I think most of the people hate the idea of healing 90% of the time and having no choices..

the Idea of card system in astrologian is the best thing that square enix did but in the worst time.. Astrologian could fit in Support very easily with minor changes to its kit and keeping random cards exist

[Tunda]

I doubt Bards and Dancers want to heal 50% of their time. A lot of dancers seem unaware they even have defensive skills and a heal.

10 min tutorial could teach people button number 4 heal people

[Tunda]

Personally if they made Bard a pure support healer I’d literally never touch another job lol

Personally I like bard.. but i can't see this job as a DPS its clearly a very support job with DPS kit.. same as Astrologian it is clearly a support job with Healer kit

[Tunda]

If they made ranged DPS heal because healers want more uptime on dps then i'd stop playing both classes. A ranged DPS is a DPS. A healer is a healer.
it shouldnt be complicated to figure out who should be doing what.

why we need healers? man i can do any dungeon currently with "Modern Jobs" like warrior and red mage and monk with 50% of current healer kit with no issues