#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Reinha]

I saw @Reinha's post about agreeing with the healer nerf that healers are too powerful and after looking at it more last night I agree, 1 GCD shouldnt take a tank from 25% health to 100% in 1 button and a healing nerf is an acceptable outcome but whats an acceptable amount to nerf the healing by? will 35% as suggested by Kazmarek be enough?

While healers are indeed too powerful, I don't believe that a simple flat nerf to healing job abilities is what will fix healing. It needs to be a multifaceted solution that touches all jobs and the many levels of content we have.

- Nerf problematic healing abilities of tanks and dps, like what was done to Reaper's Arcane Crest. Reduce the amount of % party mitigations the dps have access to (ideally zero). Reduce the amount of party-wide heals/shields tanks have access to (ideally zero).
- Nerf healers' healing abilities according to a careful balancing plan, not a flat %. Put some oGCD healing abilities on the GCD. Remove or merge some healing abilities to make room for 3-5 extra dps buttons. Restoring MP should occur when using specific heals or damage spells and require active thought throughout the fight and not a simple button press every 60s.
- Change the incoming damage patterns in new content to be more frequent and unexpected and randomly targeted, not necessarily more potent.
- Increase the damage of boss autoattacks in new content and add more unavoidable damage patterns that affect the whole party.
- Cap the item level of old content to what was obtainable in the patch the content was released. Retune some old fights if necessary to keep them clearable after the rework.

The details on how this is done in practice should be the responsibility of the staff member in charge of designing and balancing healers. If there is no dev in charge of that assignment, one should be hired immediately.

[Kayokane]

I feel like the most interesting part about his answer there was that he prefers to play healer in casual content with random people, because he feels like as healer he has the most control over to make sure there will be a smooth run of the content. So I don't think it is that strange that someone doesn't support the strike if they play healer in casual content because that is the role they enjoy the most there (even with the state the game is in).

The just a few people argument sound a little bit dismissive for sure though, but if I understood it correctly it sounded like that it came from experience where he supported stuff like this in the past but later found out that he was only part of a minority where he thought it was a majority before. So I can't fault him for feeling like that.

About waiting for the content first to release. I can understand everyone who is fed up and doesn't want to wait but I can totally understand as well if someone wants to wait and see first. Because it is not long until the expansion releases and nothing will change until then anyway no matter what.

I think his answers there where pretty decent and reasonable (even if they could have been worded a little bit less dismissive in some regards)

I play healer for those exact same reasons myself, I honestly just refuse to do df content without either being a healer myself, or being with a healer I know is good.

Waiting for more info is also a position I hold, but we can still discuss the issues about the things we have seen, as well. (Honestly with endwalker they did make progress with more healing intensive fights throughout the expansion, yeah not all the fights were that good, but the multi-hitters and increased amount of bleeds used were nice.)

I will admit dismissive and reasonable are not mutually exclusive responses.

[CaptainLagbeard]

I don't think the solution would be to remove healing from Tanks and support from non-Healers, but rather just give healers more things to do. As they keep giving more oGCDs heals and they keep buffing tank self-heals and as bosses damage gets more centered around just tank busters, it effectively gives Healers more downtime to do something other than heal which isn't inherently a bad thing.
But the problem is that they also have to actually have to give Healers something to do with the downtime, the best we currently have is spamming one spell for 27 seconds.

[ForteNightshade]

I feel like the most interesting part about his answer there was that he prefers to play healer in casual content with random people, because he feels like as healer he has the most control over to make sure there will be a smooth run of the content. So I don't think it is that strange that someone doesn't support the strike if they play healer in casual content because that is the role they enjoy the most there (even with the state the game is in).

The just a few people argument sound a little bit dismissive for sure though, but if I understood it correctly it sounded like that it came from experience where he supported stuff like this in the past but later found out that he was only part of a minority where he thought it was a majority before. So I can't fault him for feeling like that.

About waiting for the content first to release. I can understand everyone who is fed up and doesn't want to wait but I can totally understand as well if someone wants to wait and see first. Because it is not long until the expansion releases and nothing will change until then anyway no matter what.

I think his answers there where pretty decent and reasonable (even if they could have been worded a little bit less dismissive in some regards)

To be perfectly blunt, Happy doesn't play healers well. He casts multiple GCDs for every other raid wide and doesn't utilize his kit nearly that efficiently. Basically, he's a decent enough healer but isn't any better than your above average player who casts the pointless Medica IIs or Succors. Which, unsurprisingly, leads to him having something of a biased opinion. I wouldn't put him on any sort of authority.

And I wouldn't say him mouthing off, "the healer strike is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No one gives a <insert four letter word>" as "pretty decent and reasonable."

[Reinha]

I agree that healers are plagued with issues as of late, but the one real problem I have with this idea is if you do this, you're going to be striking for the entire expansion. It's incredibly unlikely that they're going to make any major changes to healers mid-expac.

I will absolutely be striking for the whole expansion and the next ones too, if healing is not fixed. It was a slow boiling of a frog (=me) since HW and I still played healing jobs from time to time but when I saw the new healing abilities given to tanks and dps for Dawntrail it was the last straw for me. I'm going to get my leveling meta achievement using Wondrous Tales xp on healer jobs and only play the fun jobs from now on.

[mellii]

To be perfectly blunt, Happy doesn't play healers well. He casts multiple GCDs for every other raid wide and doesn't utilize his kit nearly that efficiently. Basically, he's a decent enough healer but isn't any better than your above average player who casts the pointless Medica IIs or Succors. Which, unsurprisingly, leads to him having something of a biased opinion. I wouldn't put him on any sort of authority.

And I wouldn't say him mouthing off, "the healer strike is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No one gives a <insert four letter word>" as "pretty decent and reasonable."

what does how well he plays as a healer have anything to do with it? (I at least don't think pointless media IIs lead to that many groups wiping or things going horribly wrong in casual content which his points where about). and of course he has a biased opinion. we all have, it is kind of impossible to not have biased opinion in a topic like that.

and the last part yeah that is the part I meant with it could have been worded less dismissive. So I am a little bit confused why you thought I meant that with "pretty decent and reasonable"

[Flay_wind]

MrHappy's Monday w/ MrHappy video first two questions were healer issue/strike related, and his takes... I mean I'm not participating in the healer strike, but even I'm not THAT dismissive of the issues. Just more of the same: 'We don't have enough info' and 'Oh, it's only a few people' arguments.

It's funny really.
"Guys, what are you rioting about? These issues has been there for several expansions now. And we all know that Warror's sustain is ridiculuous"
Like, Haps, that's exactly the point.

[OliviaLugria]

what does how well he plays as a healer have anything to do with it? (I at least don't think pointless media IIs lead to that many groups wiping or things going horribly wrong in casual content which his points where about). and of course he has a biased opinion. we all have, it is kind of impossible to not have biased opinion in a topic like that.

and the last part yeah that is the part I meant with it could have been worded less dismissive. So I am a little bit confused why you thought I meant that with "pretty decent and reasonable"

Gonna agree with your first question here. The strike has players from all ranges of skill and experiance. You can't dismiss someone's opinions for being at a different levels without opening yourself up to the same argument.

I think it is important to take in account how skilled and experienced a player is, but it should still be valued.

I dunno why "we don't like healer anymore, and we're gonna go play something else" is the stupidest thing ever. We felt unheard for 2 expansions and a one word change from "healer feedback" to "healer strike" rally made a world of differance!

[xbahax92]

I wouldnt be surprised if they nerfed healing potencies, just as a result of this uproar. It's not the first time, they listened to feedback and made jobs worse. I'd be careful what I'm asking for, generally it doesnt end up to well. And I really dont want to sit there and spam my cure II. I dont find that really engaging.

Plus, it looks like everyone agrees on the healer situation, but nobody shares an common idea. It's either encounter design, not enough to heal, not enough dps tools and so on. It's really a bummer that within all the discussions, nobody really wants to come to an concensus. This will result for another minority to voice their discomfort within the next battle updates.

[ZephyrMenodora]

It's interesting to me that lots of tank mains talk about bad healers as though parties are just wiping left and right due to bad healing at higher levels. That's just not my experience. Maybe in older content because players are newer or have maybe forgotten mechanics (roulette can be that way). At higher levels I find this happens way less. Expert roulettes are child's play 95% of the time.

And if you actively watch healer casts it's truly comical.

I see more wipes in the 38 to 49 ARR dungeons before the Tanks can sustain themselves entirely, and the monsters seemingly do more damage to the tanks in general.

Many times the tank runs ahead and if the healer isn't paying attention for about 10 seconds they are dead lol.

Plus, it looks like everyone agrees on the healer situation, but nobody shares an common idea. It's either encounter design, not enough to heal, not enough dps tools and so on. It's really a bummer that within all the discussions, nobody really wants to come to an concensus. This will result for another minority to voice their discomfort within the next battle updates.

To be honest, we are never going to have a consensus. We have different generations of healers. Some of us come from older MMOs where 90% of our time was healing, and that's what we enjoyed. Others joined XIV in an era where healing was already about 20% of the job, and that is what they grew up with and enjoy. Many modern MMOs just abandoned the trinity and everyone is a DPS, adding to the number of people who don't see the point of more and more healing in general.

Requiring that every healer agree on one plan for the devs will just cannibalize the movement and divide us.

But what we do agree on is something has to be done. And that's a great start. And I think adding things from both camps of healers will be a great compromise so that everyone is happier than they are today.