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    I feel like people that thought tank single target healing in abyssos was hard or excessive just got bad tanks and the tanks successfully panned off responsibility onto the healer

    It’s why abyssos damage profiles were so bad, it required the tanks and DPS to press buttons they functionally had no incentive to press and if they didn’t press it responsibility fell to the healer but it was easy to hide not pressing the button you were supposed to press amongst the other mitigation used so the healer could never fight back

    Healers had all the responsibility yet none of the control
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I feel like people that thought tank single target healing in abyssos was hard or excessive just got bad tanks and the tanks successfully panned off responsibility onto the healer

    It’s why abyssos damage profiles were so bad, it required the tanks and DPS to press buttons they functionally had no incentive to press and if they didn’t press it responsibility fell to the healer but it was easy to hide not pressing the button you were supposed to press amongst the other mitigation used so the healer could never fight back

    Healers had all the responsibility yet none of the control
    Yeah, my tanks weren't even like, particularly amazing. They missed mit a lot, but apart from occasionally needing to burn an extra ED, lustrate, or druochole, it didn't really affect me. I just kinda took it in stride when they fucked up.
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    I gave AST a shot, and it's still miserable to play, even to think about. Worst iteration by far. Praying for 8.0, I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I feel like people that thought tank single target healing in abyssos was hard or excessive just got bad tanks and the tanks successfully panned off responsibility onto the healer
    I feel like a lot of the problems with healers kinda stem from the fact that for us to have any fun with the primary element of our job, we require other players to be bad at theirs. It's a kind of weird thing to realize; I don't want harder content, I want worse tanks.

    Astrologian used to at least have their own minigame going on that could exist regardless of if your tank knew which end of the gunblade the bullets come out of, but apparently that was a bug, not a feature.
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 06-08-2024 at 03:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    I feel like a lot of the problems with healers kinda stem from the fact that for us to have any fun with the primary element of our job, we require other players to be bad at theirs.

    Astrologian used to at least have their own minigame going on that could exist regardless of if your tank knew which end of the gunblade the bullets come out of, but apparently that was a bug, not a feature.
    That is something I fully agree with in casual content, nier raids with a bad party are about the most fun you can have with a healer in casual content but if you had a bad party in abyssos your party just blew up because the DOT’s were beyond your ability to triage if they weren’t mitigated properly

    Even week 5-6 if there weren’t 2-3 mits on those bleedwides you’d struggle to keep the party alive even with both healers GCD heal spamming
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess