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    Dawntrail's mediatour dungeon was already cleared without healers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqBWp00XNZs

    Not a fan of this guy in particular but I think its pretty sad we're still here in this same boat again.


    Guess the healers aren't going to have any engagement outside of ultimate raids again.
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    Not to mention if this is what "ENHANCED ENCOUNTER DESIGN" means, 7.x is already a spectacular failure.

    Also they're really just doubling down. I wonder if they all got long COVID at their office











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    Can't wait to cast Aspected Benefic once every 15 seconds and spam Malefic as filler, for another entire expansion

    I have a lot of problems with WoW, but man what I wouldn't give for some of their class design brains to leak into FFXIV...
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    My outline for a Chemist healer: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/513527-Healer-Concept-Draft-Chemist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Guess the healers aren't going to have any engagement outside of ultimate raids again.
    Oh don't worry about that, they're be playing Forums (Extreme).
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    Honestly, non-healers have way too much self-sustain. Warriors are essentially gods at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqBWp00XNZs

    Not a fan of this guy in particular but I think its pretty sad we're still here in this same boat again.


    Guess the healers aren't going to have any engagement outside of ultimate raids again.

    Yeah, but if they nerf WARs self heal, or do anything to make WAR "not the best", Xeno will throw the biggest manchild rant ever. Just like last time. I really don't get his appeal.
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    It's a dungeon, they're designed to be easy. Practically any dungeon in the game can be cleared day 1 without a healer, especially with a warrior tanking, so why would you expect Dawntrail to suddenly be different? I'd love if dungeons were more difficult but I'm not going to get upset and set myself up for disappointment when I already know the expansion isn't doing anything new with them. Maybe 8.0, but expect the same type of gameplay seen in Endwalker in Dawntrail.

    It's not like healers are going to be stuck without being able to dungeons because everyone wants a third DPS. Most people run dungeons through the duty finder with randoms and that forces the typical party composition. If your friends are going to exclude you from content because you play a healer, then they're probably not very good friends to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Yeah, but if they nerf WARs self heal, or do anything to make WAR "not the best", Xeno will throw the biggest manchild rant ever. Just like last time. I really don't get his appeal.
    It would be bad optics for them to lose one of their bigger streamers even if his opinions are objectively awful. Can't say I'm surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espon View Post
    It's a dungeon, they're designed to be easy. Practically any dungeon in the game can be cleared day 1 without a healer, especially with a warrior tanking, so why would you expect Dawntrail to suddenly be different? I'd love if dungeons were more difficult but I'm not going to get upset and set myself up for disappointment when I already know the expansion isn't doing anything new with them. Maybe 8.0, but expect the same type of gameplay seen in Endwalker in Dawntrail.
    I was promised Enhanced Encounter design, this is more of the same.
    I didn't actually expect anything different though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espon View Post
    It's a dungeon, they're designed to be easy. Practically any dungeon in the game can be cleared day 1 without a healer, especially with a warrior tanking, so why would you expect Dawntrail to suddenly be different? I'd love if dungeons were more difficult but I'm not going to get upset and set myself up for disappointment when I already know the expansion isn't doing anything new with them. Maybe 8.0, but expect the same type of gameplay seen in Endwalker in Dawntrail.

    It's not like healers are going to be stuck without being able to dungeons because everyone wants a third DPS. Most people run dungeons through the duty finder with randoms and that forces the typical party composition. If your friends are going to exclude you from content because you play a healer, then they're probably not very good friends to begin with.
    I think this might be the only game where the difficulty has steadily gone down over time as the expansions progress because the incoming damage in dungeons has remained proportionally static while the mitigation/healing cooldowns keep getting more bloated.

    It's really not asking much to be pressured into having to actually use your entire kit in normal mode content.
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