SE really has no clue what to do with Scholar do they.

[Eloah]

I think you need to reread the tooltip as serpahism neither forces a crit nor does it increase the shielding any more than any other 20% GCD amplifier (ie dissipation does) all it does is make spells instacast which isn’t exactly interesting

I never said it forces a crit, I said Catalyze is guaranteed. The shielding is on par because the 20% increase is now baked into the spell potency. Even if Dissipation made the spells instant cast that would be something.

Also why is my reasoning "poor"? What makes your reasoning better? And who said I am hinging my entire problem on the one skill. I don't need to go into anything else since that is the primary focus of this discussion, that skill.

[Supersnow845]

I never said it forces a crit, I said Catalyze is guaranteed. The shielding is on par because the 20% increase is now baked into the spell potency. Even if Dissipation made the spells instant cast that would be something.

Also why is my reasoning "poor"? What makes your reasoning better? And who said I am hinging my entire problem on the one skill. I don't need to go into anything else since that is the primary focus of this discussion, that skill.

Catalyse is the shield you get for critting your adlo, you don’t get catalyse from seraphism, it simply changes your skills to new ones (adlo being manifestation) which will give you galvanise upon hitting (like current adlo does)

Your reasoning is poor to me because I disagree with it and that’s why I’m discussing it with you, you may think my reasoning is poor that’s what’s a discussion is, I’m trying to convince you your reasoning is poor. And I ask why you hinge your problems on dissipation because your title and initial post indicate that you have problems with SCH as a collective but then you laser focus on dissipation, why was your title not “why didn’t they delete dissipation”

[Ramiee]

Catalyse is the shield you get for critting your adlo, you don’t get catalyse from seraphism

Putting this aside as someone who I believe has mained SCH through this expansion how do you feel about Seraphism as an ability itself. (ignoring the ugly angel stuff as well.)

[Supersnow845]

Putting this aside as someone who I believe has mained SCH through this expansion how do you feel about Seraphism as an ability itself. (ignoring the ugly angel stuff as well.)

What is there really to say. It’s a glorified 20% GCD amplifier hidden as actually changing the skills even though they are just 20% stronger. Making them instacast encroaches on SGE’s strengths so i dont think it’s a good thing. Shielding on the move is SGE’s strength and it should stay like that. As for the limitless ET; I have no words for how dumb that decision is. Why do we even have regen healers when a shield healer can put out a pure heal stronger than cure 3, it’s just pointless. The extra regen is just the extra “frosage” on the top of how badly this skill is designed

Manifestation gives both Galvanize and Catalyze, that's what I am saying.

And my focus on Dissipation is because currently it's the one flaw in the job I can't overlook. Especially since it's been in the game for about 10 years. I have issues with the lack of pet interaction, forms of attack, shielding, near pointless single use skills, and overall clunkiness. But at the moment those don't vex me as much as Dissipation.

So your point was you can crit manifestation, was that ever in doubt catalyse doesn’t even play into spreadlo anyway

So what are your reasons for why you cannot overlook it. It can functionally be ignored if you don’t want to use it and for people who use it as a prog skill it’s easily the strongest prog skill of any of the 4 healers. I just don’t see why this single skill is so problematic

[Eloah]

So your point was you can crit manifestation, was that ever in doubt

So what are your reasons for why you cannot overlook it. It can functionally be ignored if you don’t want to use it and for people who use it as a prog skill it’s easily the strongest prog skill of any of the 4 healers. I just don’t see why this single skill is so problematic

No, the tool tip for Manifestation says it gives both Galvanize and Catalyze, at base. It doesn't matter if the spell crits or not, you always get both shields. That's my point.

And as for why I can't overlook it. The time frame is a factor, but I dislike how it sidelines the faerie. I like pet jobs, so I want more interaction, not less. I have a similar grip currently with SMN, and how Carby just stands there now. Some things are just hard to move past. Look at the people who want Kaiten back, even though the benefits were baked into the job in other ways.

[Supersnow845]

No, the tool tip for Manifestation says it gives both Galvanize and Catalyze, at base. It doesn't matter if the spell crits or not, you always get both shields. That's my point.

And as for why I can't overlook it. The time frame is a factor, but I dislike how it sidelines the faerie. I like pet jobs, so I want more interaction, not less. I have a similar grip currently with SMN, and how Carby just stands there now. Some things are just hard to move past. Look at the people who want Kaiten back, even though the benefits were baked into the job in other ways.

What tooltip are you reading because it 100% doesn’t, you only get catalyse if it crits, manifestation’s tooltip is exactly the same as adlo


And I mean I can sort of understand that I just do not agree, you don’t have to agree with me but I do really think you are seriously underestimating its upsides and overplaying its downsides, not liking it because it sidelines the fairy in terms of lore I guess is fine (though I’d argue ShB did far worse than that to the fairy) but if you problem is lore or feeling again I’d argue Seraphism is arguably worse in every way because you are simply bypassing the fairy to do your own thing, which I think is a worse offence than dissipation because at least dissipation actually interacts with the fairy

[Ramiee]

not liking it because it sidelines the fairy in terms of lore I guess is fine (though I’d argue ShB did far worse than that to the fairy) but if you problem is lore or feeling again I’d argue Seraphism is arguably worse in every way because you are simply bypassing the fairy to do your own thing, which I think is a worse offence than dissipation because at least dissipation actually interacts with the fairy

Yeah im similar if I were to put abilities on scholar that I hate summon seraph and fey blessing would be higher than dissipation. I mainly like scholar because pet focused healers are rare in MMOs and dissipation taking that aspect away is why I don't paticular like it though its purely personal preference on my end after all the fairy has lost a lot of its management anyway.

[Eloah]

What tooltip are you reading because it 100% doesn’t, you only get catalyse if it crits, manifestation’s tooltip is exactly the same as adlo


And I mean I can sort of understand that I just do not agree, you don’t have to agree with me but I do really think you are seriously underestimating its upsides and overplaying its downsides, not liking it because it sidelines the fairy in terms of lore I guess is fine (though I’d argue ShB did far worse than that to the fairy) but if you problem is lore or feeling again I’d argue Seraphism is arguably worse in every way because you are simply bypassing the fairy to do your own thing, which I think is a worse offence than dissipation because at least dissipation actually interacts with the fairy

Wow am I dyslexic. My brain just didn't register the text between the first 180% until the comma before also. My apologies, that was a mistake on my part.

And I can't say it's a lore thing, but I would prefer more pet interaction. True, Seraphism looks odd, but at least the faerie is still there to interact with.

[Eloah]

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Manifestation gives both Galvanize and Catalyze, that's what I am saying.

And my focus on Dissipation is because currently it's the one flaw in the job I can't overlook. Especially since it's been in the game for about 10 years. I have issues with the lack of pet interaction, forms of attack, shielding, near pointless single use skills, and overall clunkiness. But at the moment those don't vex me as much as Dissipation.