Fantasias are going to get lore now it seems.

[Cleretic]

Maybe the quest giver will be that colorful lady in Vesper Bay, again.

But this time she's a viera.

[Rannie]

All I know is if they truly make fantasia canon, I'm sooo going with my crazy head canon that Nanamo is really dead and the one they wanted to put on the throne used a fantasia to look like her.

[kaynide]

I like to think the Fantasia quest will treat it like “it will make you feel like a whole new you! Refreshing!”, without acknowledging in-game what it does at all. As in, yes it does change your body/gender/etc, but it rewrites at such a complete level that nobody ever realizes you were anything different.

Alternatively “ah I knew it wouldn’t work” because you never were a Lalafel trapped in a Roe body, you always were a Lalafel you silly goose.

[Cleretic]

Alternatively “ah I knew it wouldn’t work” because you never were a Lalafel trapped in a Roe body, you always were a Lalafel you silly goose.

Honestly, this is what I suspect it'll be; we'll get given a 'phony Fantasia' that's actually a real Fantasia, that the NPC couldn't tell worked.

Which I think some people wouldn't like, just because they write Fantasia change-ups as actually happening in-universe and being observable, but I'd be okay with. Frankly, it would be a very funny, and very interesting, explicit inclusion into the game world; that there is this potion that can completley change how you look and how the entire world sees you, but that everyone just thinks it's total snake oil because it works so well that even the person who took it can't tell it worked. That opens the door to so much fun ideas, that the game probably won't pursue but would be hilarious potential for roleplaying.

I'm picturing a whole naturally-occurring lake of it, that nobody's noticed. (But would probably have some crazy fish.)

[kaynide]

Frankly, it would be a very funny, and very interesting, explicit inclusion into the game world

I know it’s not an issue they would tackle, but it raises some big questions regarding gender swapping.

Like, imagine your best friend of same gender came out to you, confessing their love. You, being straight gently turn them down. It is established that you have turned down your friend. One day, they Fantasia into exactly your wildest dream-girl/boy… how does your memory compute turning down your best friend, who ticks every single box of a partner you are looking for?


Or, perhaps less controversial, you grew up in a standard issue home with a mom and dad, and you were there to see your kid sister born. You know for a fact your mom gave birth to your kid sis. Until one day you have two dads. Wait a minute…

[Hallarem]

Set to ruin the rp scene for me, if it changes everything about you. One day you're a lalafel, the second day you feel like being an elezen, now you're a roegadyn. At least glamours are fake illusions, but this one.. wooooh the rp scene is gonna misuse the heck out of it.

[Cleretic]

Set to ruin the rp scene for me, if it changes everything about you. One day you're a lalafel, the second day you feel like being an elezen, now you're a roegadyn. At least glamours are fake illusions, but this one.. wooooh the rp scene is gonna misuse the heck out of it.

I can tell you don't spend much time in the RP community, or you'd know that anyone who wants to use a Fantasia in-character was already doing it, nebulous canonicity or ruleset be damned. If anything, this will at least ensure some consistency.

Now if they gave away TWO Fantasias we'd be in trouble, that's perfect material for a 'temporary mishap' arc.

[Hallarem]

I can tell you don't spend much time in the RP community, or you'd know that anyone who wants to use a Fantasia in-character was already doing it, nebulous canonicity or ruleset be damned. If anything, this will at least ensure some consistency.

Now if they gave away TWO Fantasias we'd be in trouble, that's perfect material for a 'temporary mishap' arc.

I don't know how it's done in the U.S but IC fantasias are bit of a taboo over in EU, at least on Chaos in the general RP scene. You -can- use it, but it mostly gets ignored unless you're in your own bubble community or come out with the "Can we all agree that this character was always a Miqo'te instead of an Elezen". So let's stop using the "I can tell you don't do this and that." and stick to the subject, thank you very much. It's very rude.

[Cleretic]

I don't know how it's done in the U.S but IC fantasias are bit of a taboo over in EU, at least on Chaos in the general RP scene. You -can- use it, but it mostly gets ignored unless you're in your own bubble community or come out with the "Can we all agree that this character was always a Miqo'te instead of an Elezen". So let's stop using the "I can tell you don't do this and that." and stick to the subject, thank you very much. It's very rude.

I admit I don't play on Chaos, but I highly doubt that it's such a close-knit and communally-agreed-on space that you're immune from someone just going off the reservation, in large part because they aren't aware of the reservation in the first place. Like, that's not an insult to anyone in any way; it's just a fact of open RP communities like this, you can't actually stop someone from writing whatever they want, because no matter how strong you think these communally-agreed standards are held, there's always gonna be someone who's never read them, or has read them and decided to ignore them. If anything, I suspect you might be in more of a bubble than you think you are just because you think that it's actually possible to enforce those unspoken standards.

Again, if anything this ensures consistency: before this Fantasias were in a nebulous 'they exist and do X but we have no further information', so not even the people who do want to write in Fantasias have any agreement on how they work, how aware people are of them, or how rare/valuable they are. To some it's so treasured that it's some level of sought-after objective, for others it's so miscellaneous that it's just part of a shelf of potions that can be caught up in shenanigans, and that's just in relation to its supposed value.

You can't stop people from having their fun, the people who want to write in Fantasias are always going to write in Fantasias. What this'll do is mean that when two people who independently wrote in Fantasias meet, they'll actually implicitly agree about them, and that'll be great.

[Hallarem]

There's a roleplay discord community for Chaos and Light where most roleplayers hang out, which tends to discuss lore, advertise daily / weekly roleplay roulettes and much more. I don't mean it's enforced, I mean that since it's a general consensus whenever it's discussed or brought up that "Fantasias are not canon" it's handled in a very "Let's try something else or another angle if you want to change your character" in fc's and out in the open from personal experience. If we get down to semantics, sure, every community is a bubble in the end. You are in a bubble, I am in a bubble. Anyone can do anything in roleplay, hell I've been in events where people have been playing Ryne and Y'shtola, and just played it like it landed and took it as a fun experience while never referencing it happened after because I thought it was kinda silly. You can't enforce anything except within a community / FC / roleplay group / roleplay event that you lead. But if you turn up as an "Ascian Thriceborn Allagan tank commander" you rarely get embraced and agreed with on your choice if you go extremely off the wall, lore can be bent, its necessary for events and fun but outright breaking it tends to be shunned. I'm just talking on my observations in the general community, roulette spaces, various FC's and so forth.

I just disagree that bringing in Fantasia into being an actual canon thing will be good for the overall roleplay vibe, it bites away at any sense of uniqueness, flaws and the journey your character has done if you can just shift to whatever you want by chugging a potion. It being an artifact level potion that can't be just bought at your local apothecary might make it more digestable though. You are entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine. If it becomes actual canon, then there's nothing about it. Just gotta play it how it lands, but personally if it goes out of control, hugely offputting as a concept and possibly a dealbreaker for me.

I am suspected of "not spending much time in the rp community" and "being in bit more of a bubble than I think" let's try and make the next post without directly referencing to me and suspecting of how I go about my day, and talk about the point instead. Third time the charm? Thank you~